Talk:Brother's Keeper (Miami Vice)
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[edit] Notability guideline for television episodes -tag
What part of the guideline does this article does not pass? feydey (talk) 00:08, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
- The inclusion of just the awards was not enough to establish notability. With the inclusion of that other source, it guess it's fine to remove it, though I would personally like to see more sources before it is taken off. TTN (talk) 00:11, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
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- not everything here is covered in the main article. The episode is ah rather well known and a bunch of commentry on it turned up when the movie came out for example. Now the question is why couldn't you find that?Genisock2 (talk) 14:13, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Original music
El Greco, I see you deleted my sentence about cover versions being present on the Region 1 DVD. It's original research, sure, but the point of mentioning it was to provide a counterpoint to the marketing hype about all the original music being preserved. We mustn't blindly repeat Universal's claims that all the original music is intact, when there's evidence that at least one or two songs on the very first DVD are cover versions; it's plausible that the original broadcasts didn't use these versions. Perhaps I assumed too much and didn't phrase it very well, but the point remains: I don't like the fact that you're insisting on listing what I feel are contentious songs in the article as being originals, when they're actually covers, and may not be what was originally broadcast.
The questions to be answered are:
- Is the version of "Girls Just Want To Have Fun" on the DVD a cover, or is it Cyndi Lauper's version? I say it's a cover, because I know this song pretty well, have it on CD, and the instrumentation and vocals are pretty clearly different. You apparently disagree?
- Is the version of "All Night Long" on the DVD a cover, or is it Lionel Richie's version? I think we both agree it's a cover.
- Did the original broadcast use the Cyndi Lauper version of "Girls Just Want To Have Fun", or did it use the cover? I don't know the answer to this.
- Did the original broadcast use the Lionel Richie version of "All Night Long", or did it use the cover? I don't know the answer to this. You pointed out in your edit summary that in the show, the song is played during a mimed performance by a band (that does not include Lionel Richie). I don't see this as necessarily meaning anything; they could've played Lionel Richie's version in the original broadcast and still showed the anonymous band, then swapped in the cover version on the DVD.
- How should we represent these works when writing about the "original music" in the series?
I feel strongly that if there's a chance that there's any difference between the music used in the original broadcast and the DVDs, especially when it's clear that one or more songs on the DVDs are covers (regardless of whether the covers were also in the original broadcasts), then its our duty to present Universal's claims about the music being "original" with very specific qualifications, and to avoid parroting their marketing b.s. as fact. It's just a claim, an unverified one. —mjb (talk) 08:59, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
- Wait, Lionel Richie's song "All Night Long" isn't song by Richie in the episode, it's not even back ground music, it's sung by a band where Crockett and Tubbs go to meet Calderone. So you can't claim that Universal used a cover version for that song, because they got somebody to sing it in the episode. Now Lauper's version sounds fine, alittle high pitched, but that could be the Dolby Digital 5.1 sound remastering they used. But the other fact remains, if Universal used a cover for Lauper's song, you're telling me that none of the Miami Vice fansites would pick it up? El Greco(talk) 16:46, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
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- Well if it's not Lionel Richie's performance, then it's a cover by definition. As I said, there are two issues: 1. whether or not the songs are performed by Lionel & Cyndi, and 2. whether what's on the DVD matches the original broadcasts. Did they play Lionel Richie's version while showing the random band, or did they play the cover that we hear on the DVD? Remember, they used DeBarge's original "Rhythm of the Night" while showing some random band that wasn't DeBarge, so it's quite possible they did the same for "All Night Long". Either way, I think it's misleading to say that "All Night Long" by Lionel Richie was in the show, without pointing out that on the DVD, if not also in the original broadcast, it wasn't actually the Lionel Richie performance.
- The "Girls Just Want To Have Fun" vocal to me sounds like someone other than Cyndi Lauper. Instrumentation, too. It's not just pitched up. I'll give it another listen but it really struck me as "off" when I first watched the DVD.
- Yes, I think it's quite possible none of the fansites would've noticed. —mjb (talk) 02:54, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
