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[edit] References

This page needs references, or site where this information was aquired from. Otherwise it's just someone's opinion. Thanx :) Lordofchaosiori 17:17, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

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It began as someone's opinion, and judging by the editing that it has been subject to - quite a correct opinion. However, editing has taken place, thus making this article not one person's opinion, but the opinion of those who edit it. Hence, the article named 'broken heart' requires no reference as all information is correct, and it has proved popular with other users of www.wikipedia.org.

thank you - Skip x

Hurrah! lol. Lordofchaosiori 23:08, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Heartbreak

This article should really be called Heartbreak. Does anyone have any objections? Satchfan 08:54, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

What's wrong with 'broken heart'?

actually, I agree. Heartbreak sounds much more fitting, if only because it compresses it into one word. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.38.66.206 (talk) 22:55, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] all opinion

this article sounds like it's all just 100% opinion. one of the worst articles i've read on wikipedia.

I randomly wandered into this page after a painful break up. Thanks for the commiseration Wikipedia. --Doom Music 20:22, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

That's what I said! Lordofchaosiori 05:02, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree, this is a horrid article and definitely needs cleanup. I just wish I could contribute something to it myself. This article will most likely end up being deleted in the near future. StealthHit06 03:30, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I would suggest that it be redirected to Broken heart (disambiguation), which should include pointers to Grief as well as Stress cardiomyopathy. Any useful content here could be merged into Grief, which is a much more encyclopedic treatment of the topic. Alternatively, the disambiguation page could be moved to Broken heart, although that would require admin intervention. -- Visviva 03:41, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Support - I support your proposal, otherwise this article should just be re-written.Code E 20:41, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

"In literature, traditional or otherwise, "dying of a broken heart" is a euphemism for suicide." This statement is false--not every character in every piece of literature who "dies of a broken heart" commits suicide. Some of them simply die because the pain is too much for them to bear. I feel that this statement should be removed from the article. Also, the medical condition should be separate from the "philosophical" section of the article. The pain of Broken Heart Syndrome is very real to the people who experience it.

LadyCygnet 05:34, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Love is equal to suffering In both good and bad way

[edit] This article is alright

Whats wrong with this article? It's obvious that its an emotion felt by alot of people as real as emotions like 'I feel hungry' and anger. Just because you havent felt it doesnt mean its not true. I'm sure alot of people havent felt shit like anger and other emotions like that, but you do not dispute their existance. 140.159.2.31 01:59, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Um, what people haven't felt anger and other emotions like that?. I mean, I don't personally doubt a person can have a broken heart but that doesn't mean it does exist, only that many people seem to believe it does. It is certainly not an emotive response that every person experiences like anger, hunger, desire etc. I see no reason to disbelieve in it myself but someone else could say it was nonsense because its not a constant among humanity. It could be argued to be normal grief compounded by mental illness or what could be referered to as a fragile mind. Though of course that term is rife with the same problems. To put it in perspective you could compare it to the term soulmate. Many people believe that such a theoretical person does or could exist but that doesn't mean that it does. Again I believe it, but another person could say it was silly, that all there is is compatibility, sexual attraction, a common outlook etc.Colin 8 18:37, 16 April 2007 (UTC) Another small point, but does the term "dying of a broken heart" have to be a term for suicide?. I was under the impression that it could also refer to somebody who due to extreme grief allowed their health to fail and slowly withered away. This could be seen as suicide of course, but it is kind of distinct as apposed to active suicide.Colin 8 18:43, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

The symptoms bit lets the article down. 81.153.12.85 12:00, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I understand the objections, as the article does sound subjective and unscientific. However, I think its manner, as a whole, is just fine as is, though more input from the field of psychology would be nice. Having experienced one myself, I found this article to be both a very accurate description (including the symptoms) and oddly comforting. Heartbreak is probably still best understood and communicated by personal experiences, so there is nothing wrong with this article being based primarily on such. Having a broken heart is a very real and unique phenomenon. It is NOT the same as grief or heart stress, and though these subjects might coincide in some sitations, there is no reason to include one inside the others.(Tekito 03:44, 16 April 2007 (UTC)tekito)

[edit] Animals/humans

Many animals are reported to not suffer from any feelings of heartache or loss in that general emotional way. Yet it is widely reported and known that many humans do. I believe that this has something to do with our diminished sex drive when compared to animals. Animals basically live their lives to pass on their seed, however humans, while subconsciously living their lives for the same reason, rely on another thing to justify this sex drive. It takes many many years for a child to be able to stand no its own two feet and make its own mark in the world, and I believe that the need to love and be loved by the one who we want to pass our seed onto is because we need to trust the other person enough to stay with us while we raise the child. Thus, the feeling of love can be explained as evolution, where we want our children, our genetics to be safe with two parents. This way, we can watch over our physical exertion and raise it in the manner we see fit. I'm a 20 year old from Australia named Leigh Barlow and this is all very crude and rudimentary theories, but I hope I have shed some philosophical light on the subject of love and heart ache. 140.159.2.31 02:07, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

This sharp divide between humans and animals does not hold water. It also takes many years for several animals to 'make their mark on the world' yet according to you they do not love, nor suffer grief nor loss. We share much more with animals than we sometimes like to think. For example, the old saying "elephants never forget" is partially true. They form deep and lasting relationships, and as well as being reported to mourn those close to them they have been reported, decades later, to return to the site where the former matriarch died when it was time for their own death.

Wireless99 (talk) 10:54, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removed prod

I removed the prod. I was thinking of just making this a redirect to suicide instead, but I think the concept really does deserve fuller treatment. If it is put an AfD please consider whether a redirect to a subsection of suicide covering this topic is believed appropriate.--<font face="coronet" color="#9966FF" size=3>Birgitte</font><font face="coronet" color="#CC99CC" size=3>SB</font> 17:38, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Keep

This is a notable and unique experience in the sum of humanity, both in life and literature. The topic might only seem unworthy of seperation because it has hardly been covered in this article.

I should like to add that there is value in knowing what the phrase refers to, regardless of whether there is any evidence that the heart is actually malfunctioning. Keep it. Ooze2b 01:51, 5 April 2007 (UTC)ooze2b


agreed. this is a topic that appears to be universall accurate enough, and simply requires more scientific analysis. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.38.66.206 (talk) 22:54, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Johnny Cash

I removed the reference to Johnny Cash, italicized as follows:

However, even in reality people die from what appears to be a broken heart. In 2003, Johnny Cash died within three months of his wife June Carter Cash. Some speculated that Cash died of a broken heart, but that was not the case. Broken heart syndrome is commonly blamed for the death of a person whose spouse is already deceased, when in fact it is sudden emotional stress that can be caused by a traumatic breakup, the death of a loved one, or even the shock of a surprise party.

Needs to be clarified. What did he die from, if not a broken heart? Who are "some"? How does this relate?? Kaelynn 23:11, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Type of Emotion

I think this article should actually be added to the 'Emotions' Sidebar. it appears to have the criteria of a type of emotional psychological state, and it is definitely different from general Grief. This article accurately describes the stat of Heartbreak, and as such, It is an important Psychology reference page.


[edit] Major contradiction with psychological pain article

This article opens with "A broken heart (or heartbreak) is a common metaphor used to describe the intense psychological pain", but the article on psychological pain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_pain) states "Psychological pain is distinct and separate from emotional pain, which is 'heartache', or heart break"; these are clearly contradictory statements. Someone should change one of the two articles; I'd do it, but I'm a Wikipedia editing newbie and find my changes are generally rejected so I'll leave it to the experts. Vorpal22 (talk) 11:57, 5 March 2008 (UTC)