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[edit] Welcome

Hi -welcome to Wikipedia. I noticed your edits to Mormon handcart pioneers. If you are interested in topics relating to the Latter Day Saint movement, I would encourage you to look over the project page Wikipedia:WikiProject Latter Day Saint movement. The group has established naming guidelines and other criteria and maintains a number of pages coordinating LDS topics. Look forward to working with you. WBardwin 11:01, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, WBardwin, for the welcome and the reference to the project page. I'd be interested in doing some more work on LDS-history topics within the context of the history of the American West. I probably won't be contributing to articles on topics like doctrine and theology.—BRMo 22:06, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
Sounds good. Two related topics needing help are Mormon Trail and Mormon Battalion. Look forward to working with you. WBardwin 04:23, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mormon Collaboration selection

Your supported nomination, Mormon trail, has been selected as the April 2006 Mormon Collaboration of the month. I look forward to your help with improving the article! Also, if you'd like, I'd appreciate it if you'd add your name to the list of participants in the Mormon Collaboration project. uriah923(talk) 17:06, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mormon collaboration selection

Your nomination has been selected for the August 2006 Mormon collaboration: Mormon handcart pioneers. I look forward to working with you to improve the article. --uriah923(talk) 15:29, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mormon Handcarts

You are weclome. Good luck. --CTSWyneken(talk) 09:43, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for the brevity :-) References should follow Footnotes, and you can find a sample of referenced notables at Sociological and cultural aspects of Tourette syndrome. The same standards apply to notables as to any other text: we need proof it's true :-) Sandy 02:18, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mormon handcart pioneers

I noticed that you changed "The emigrants from the first two ships, about 815 in number..." to "About 815 emigrants from the first two ships". The newer version implies that not all of the emigrants went with the handcart companies, is this intentional? --Lethargy 02:29, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Excellent. Very good article BTW, but before I support the nomination, I need to read it again since I haven't read it all the way through since it was the Mormon COTW. I need to stop procrastinating and get that done. --Lethargy 02:46, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Update: It might be good to add that info about the people that dropped out. Also, I hope I am not being too nitpicky with requesting sources (see my comments at the FAC page), I'll leave it up to you whether or not to add them. --Lethargy 03:42, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Just a note: I lost your last message as I was archiving my talk page, but I'll have another look tomorrow. Sandy 04:02, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

I looked over the article again this morning, and it's really looking fine. I have one small issue, but since I don't know Wiki policy on this, I'm not entering it on the FAC page. I did some research, and can't determine if this is an actionable objection. I hate seeing ibid on Wiki articles for the following reason: theoretically, you might not be around forever, watching the article, and others may insert content in the future. Wiki is not static. If someone inserts a referenced comment between the original cite and the ibid, the ibid becomes incorrect. This can easily happen in the dynamic environment of Wiki. I'd much rather see all ibid entries changed to reflect the dynamic nature of Wiki, such as:

  • Hafen and Hafen (1981), pp. 143-144.
  • Hafen and Hafen (1981), pp. 148-149, 193.
  • Hafen and Hafen (1981), pp. 153-164.

That will make for a more stable article in the long run, and assure that none of your hard work citing the article correctly will be inadvertently lost by a future edit. Sandy 18:57, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Great work

I was going to add one of those awards people hand out to each other on Wikipedia, but I'm not entirely sure how to do that. Anyway, I just thought I should say that you have made some fantastic edits, and your hard --and exceptional-- work is appreciated. You're a much better writer than I am. Keep up the great work. --Lethargy 04:36, 28 September 2006 (UTC)


The Epic Barnstar
For your tireless efforts with the Mormon handcart pioneers article, I present you with The Epic Barnstar. Lethargy 23:29, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] LDS Church articles

I need the input of another editor for a few articles, if you get the time:

  • The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints - I'm not sure what specifically needs to be done to have a more neutral and formal tone, but something definitely bothers me. If you are familiar with the subject, citations are also badly needed everywhere in the article. I want to bring this up to a point that I wouldn't be embarrassed to present it for peer review.
  • Temple Square - rather short, but I am not sure what specifically needs to be added, how to break it into sections, or what reliable sources I can use.

If you do get the time, you can post on the articles' respective talk pages or on my own talk page.--Lethargy 23:23, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mormon Pioneer

Mormon Pioneer has been moved to Mormon pioneers. The move didn't show up on my watchlist, so I'm just giving you the heads up in case you missed it. --Lethargy 00:26, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Update: I have also submitted this article for the Mormon COTM, with a goal of having this featured on the front page for Pioneer Day 2007, the 160th anniversary of the first company's entry into the valley. See: Wikipedia:Mormon collaboration/Mormon pioneers. --Lethargy 00:16, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Straw poll

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[edit] RFM

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[edit] Deseret

Sorry - I was going to ping you and ask as soon as you showed up :-) Sandy (Talk) 04:18, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mormon handcart pioneers

no problem - sorry I couldn't be more helpd during the day. I felt alot of frustration over the merge request but it is over now. Thought I'd also say thx for all your efforts as well - working with people like you is what keeps me from just abandoning --Trödel 02:17, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mormon handcart pioneers

Hello, I am translating the article Mormon handcart pioneers into Chinese. I wanna know abuot the title of a book listed in the references, which is "Hafen and Hafen". What does "Hafen" mean in this case? Does it refer to "heaven"? Or does it mean "harbor" in the German language? Looking forward to your reply. :) -- Jerry Crimson Mann 12:32, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Good work

Nice work adding sources to the Sandy Koufax article. Not to pressure you but I hope you keep it up, I'd hate to see it delisted. Quadzilla99 16:50, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

The Barnstar of Diligence
For singlehandedly taking Sandy Koufax from a disgrace to featured articles to a well-sourced, comprehensive bio. Regardless of how the FAR turns out, it's an infinitely better article thanks to your work. Djrobgordon 18:47, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mormon Pioneers References

I moved the references that I was able to attach to citations in the article so that they were in-text - like they should be. I'm curious as to why you reverted my edit. Nhansen 05:52, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

cool. Thanks for the response. I just figured it was redundant and I stand corrected. Now if we can just figure out who wrote the vanguard section - and get them to apply in-text references - we should be on our way :) Best - Nhansen 20:24, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Koufax

You're welcome; glad to see the article maintain FA status. — Deckiller 00:10, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for the barnstar

I'm thrilled to receive my first editing-related barnstar (nice as the humor one was, I don't really count it). Happy editing. --Djrobgordon 21:10, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Original research

On the Baseball statistics article, you removed the Good statistics section because you said it was original research. I have read and studied the Wikipedia:No original research article and I have to say that I am confused. I do not disagree with your point ... I am trying to understand it. Could you please help me. To use an analogy, if I have a world map and I count the continents shown on the map, it would be original research and against the Wikipedia rules for me to include the following statement in an article: There are seven continents. I would have to find an independent source in which someone else counted the continents and cite the source. Is that correct? So, in the case of this article, using the MLB.COM statistics (which is a valid source in its own right) and recognizing where the top 50 all-time fall is original research and not allowed. I have to find another source that says, for example, a batting average over .300 is considered good. Is this the way ity is supposed to work? Thanks for your time. Truthanado 04:38, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks to your comments, I added summary statistics to the Good statistics section of the article. Your comments would be appreciated, especially with respect to WP:NOR. Truthanado 01:02, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mind helping?

I have talked with you before regarding the Minor League baseball players category and how it can be improved. I was hoping that you could help with an imminent article move that I am going to do. The discussion is here. Any input would be advised as a number of articles suffer from the same problem. If we can come up with a good "system", we could systematically fix the problem. //Tecmobowl 03:38, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

  • Thanks for your thoughts. I have added a response. //Tecmobowl 09:03, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Okay, so first, thanks for contributing to the discussion on Paige. It will definitely help! I spent some time reviewing that Category:Baseball records and notice that the problem with the names is vast. That discussion page doesn't seem to get a lot of action, so what do you think we should do. By the way, I have renamed the article "List of Major League Baseball leaders in career wins." which was a minor adjustment from your suggested format. //Tecmobowl 05:24, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Good deal. Since it is vast, I will open the discussion on the "more popular" articles and just be bold on the rest and go ahead. That's a great suggestion on Paige, we'll talk more there. Have a good trip hehe! //Tecmobowl 06:12, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Tecmo Banned Indefinitely. FYI--Tecmo has been banned indefinitely for repeated violations of Wiki policy.--Epeefleche 01:30, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jose Mendez and Santa Clara

BRMo:

My single source for listing Jose Mendez as managing Santa Clara is a newspaper article (I cannot lay my hands it at this moment, and don't have time to look just now) from the Chicago Defender in late '23/ early '24 which headlines a story that Charleston had been benched by Mendez for indifferent play (he had made six errors in as many innings). The article made it clear that Mendez was the field manager, and made all game decisions. I'll look for the article to give you a specific citation, though I may only have it in hard copy. If I find a PDF of it, I'll upload it.

In 1923 (I researched that season, and am the author of the "1923 NNL Yearbook" published by "Replay Baseball" that occasionally gets cited in some articles (see Milwaukee Bears), Tinti Molina was the "manager" of the Cuban Stars (West), but that amounted to being business manager (probably equivalent of today's position of GM), while Rafael Figarola was actually the field manager; I tend to think the same situation applied with Santa Clara --- Couillaud 15:42, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

The confusion between business and field manager actually goes back to the earliest days of pro baseball when both jobs were held by the same man. The titles evolved slowly, in the minors, Majors, and Negro Leauges. Molina is particularly hard to pin down, as he was a player, field manager, field and business manager, and solely business manager at different times during his career. It's a matter of luck to make the distinction at times, such as finding an occasional headline or a line in a story that mentions the field captain.
In reality, Molina really was the manager of Santa Clara in 1923-24, because he performed duties that fell within the scope of what was called "management". José Méendez was also the manager of Santa Clara, because he performed duties that fell within that same scope. It's still a mystery sometimes. In the Cuban League, the actual title of "manager" belonged to Molina, though Méndez was the manager under the modern definition. It depends on which definition one wishes to adhere to, and I usually use the modern definition, as I like to minimize confusion for modern readers.
I frequently read the posts in BTF HOM, but I rarely feel competent to comment. I'm far from "expert" at this, but I have some expertise in a very narrow area. BTF draws a lot of well-informed people. -- Couillaud 20:38, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Paige

The 1966 Baseball Guide has a photo of Paige and Sullivan walking off the mound together "to the cheers of the crowd" or whatever. There's no story, just the photo and the caption, but it certainly seems likely it was staged that way. It was late September, the A's were way out of the race, so it was safe for a stunt. Oddly enough, this was against the Red Sox, and Sullivan signed with the Red Sox in the off-season. Maybe he was "trying out" for the BoSox that night. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 21:14, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] TfD nomination of Template:1983 Chicago White Sox

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[edit] josh gibson

replied on talk page. 64.131.205.111 00:45, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What to do with an obstinate editor?

I received a RFC from User 64.131.205.111 (whose previous ID , YoSoyGuapo, was banned) about Josh Gibson's lifetime HR totals; I know you've already responded to him a couple of times. I gave him my opinion, that the numbers need to reflect what is known from best and most recent research; he is of the opinion that the "nearly 800" that has been claimed from anecdotal evidence for 50 years is the most accurate. He's spent some time attacking me personally (suggesting that I have a deliberate agenda to "downplay" Negro League numbers (such as not giving Gibson "full" credit for games played against semi-pro competition), and I'm getting very tired of it.

It seems his pattern to try to confuse the issue, insist that any source that disagrees with his is "not a valid source", and then start personal attacks. Do you know of a Wikipedian procedure to stop him, or slow him down? Or should we just ignore his comments and revert his edits when he makes changes?

---Couillaud 18:14, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Josh Gibson seasonal stats

Baseball Reference Bullpen would like to use the stats you've compiled and formatted, but would not do so without your permission, so I'd like to ask if you'd mind letting the information on your testpage be copied to that site. Meanwhile I am working on a proposal for rewriting the page here in view of the recent dispute.

-- Couillaud 18:26, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Josh Gibson

Good work on trying to undo the damage caused by that YoSoy character. The one thing I wonder about, though, is whether there is any worthwhile or reliable source that actually breaks down his exhibition homers. You see various articles that say he hit so-and-so number of homers in all games in such-and-such a year. So it seems like someone has that info, or thinks they do. I wonder if it has been published anywhere? If so, it would fill in the gaps and explain where all the numbers come from. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 05:20, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

As I suspected, no detailed source. Which is just fine by YoSoy, because he thinks we should "just trust them" to provide smidgens of their holy scriptures. That last comment is sarcastic but assumes YoSoy is sincere, when in fact he's a troll. The best you can do is cite sources that give summaries and kind of say "that's all there is, folks." Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 05:56, 3 November 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Negro league baseball

FYI, you were correct in making the recent revert to Negro league baseball. While there were a few white players who played in the Negro Leagues, there were never all-white teams in the Negro Leagues. It was not just a possible hoax, just a plain and simple all-out hoax.

A few Cuban players (like Pedro Dibut and Dolf Luque) played in both the Negro Leagues and white Organized Ball, while some white American ballplayers played on integrated Negro League teams in the 1950s as the league was fading, and many Negro League teams played exhibition games against the House of David, but there were never any all-white teams with league status.

I think we mentioned in the Discussion of the Jackie Robinson article that the article should get semi-protection because of all the anonymous vandalism done it; perhaps this one should be a candidate as well. --Couillaud (talk) 14:56, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mormons

Among the other mud-slinging going on the Republican campaign, they are saying that Mitt Romney gets high on LDS. d:) Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 13:19, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] re Thanks for helping in posting the cfd notices

Glad to help. I was working from the bottom of the list up so they should all be done now. Sting au Buzz Me... 00:59, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Josh Bunce

Ah, so he was an umpire! I saw a "Mr. Bunce" listed as ump in a few 1877 box scores from the New York Times, but I never saw a first name. Good research! Zagalejo^^^ 04:49, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Kudos for tracking down the box score/recap. I was looking for that. Zagalejo^^^ 18:12, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Jocelyne Couture-Nowak

The removal of the further reading section was suggested in the AfD discussion and was not vandalism. Rooot (talk) 21:05, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bill Monroe (baseball player)

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[edit] proposal to merge WP:PROF into WP:BIO

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[edit] Happy First Day of Spring!

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[edit] California District 25 Little League

We don't understand why our article is up for deletion. We have several links to web sites confirming our information. Please advise —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.104.165.61 (talk) 04:26, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

I've responded on the article's talk page. BRMo (talk) 23:16, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Its a shame that an article that we put so much time into was deleted without any real discussion. Vaugue statements about "improving" the article were made with no substance for beginning Wikipedia users. There was work on trying to cite information and before you know it all of that research is gone! Its no wonder why so many new users to Wikipedia feel very intimated to contribute to the system!Down2000 (talk) 02:03, 2 May 2008 (UTC)Down2000