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[edit] Welcome to Wikipedia!

Hello Britmax, welcome to Wikipedia!

I noticed nobody had said hi yet... Hi!

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[edit] Talk:List of King George V Playing Fields (Dorset)

Note there for you Fiddle Faddle 12:17, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kings X

see my Talk page for reply and answer of sorts. Simply south 22:10, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Oswestry

Do your research dipshit, it wasn't me who removed it the first time. However, I'm going to now! Skinmeister (unsigned)

[edit] Featured article candidate review: Buffy article

Hi

You maybe interested to know that the article 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer' has recently been nominated as a candidate to become a featured article. Should it become a featured article, it will be possible for the article to appear on the Wikipedia main page on March 10th 2007, the 10th anniversary of Buffy (the premiere, "Welcome to the Hellmouth" aired March 10th 1997).

Any feedback you can offer to improve the article and/or to either object or support the nomination, would be wonderful. Thanks -- Paxomen 18:14, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kinson

Hi, thanks for the picture compliment. It's nice to see an article about Kinson, it's an interesting place. I've just requested a copy of the 1086 domesday book entry when Kinson was called Chinestanestone. -- Jbattersby 16:31, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bournemouth F.C. v. A.F.C.Bournemouth

Just to let you know that I think I have now tracked down and edited all the links that point to Bournemouth F.C. rather than A.F.C. Bournemouth. The problem comes when using the {{subst:fc|Bournemouth}} template which will automatically point to Bournemouth F.C.; using {{subst:afc|Bournemouth}} gets round the problem, albeit via a re-direct. Daemonic Kangaroo 06:17, 26 February 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Your edit?

Is there a poont to this edit of yours [1]? Giano 17:59, 10 March 2007 (UTC)


[edit] No problem

No problem, if you have ever got any questions, just ask!! Woodym555 18:43, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Halt and stations

Thanks for your note. There was a bit of a discussion on the S&D talk page about which stations were stations and which were halts. As I said there, I'm not clear what the difference is, but Shoscombe, Stourpaine & Durweston, Charlton Marshall, Corfe Mullen, Creekmoor and Bawdrip were all called "halt" throughout their existence and that was what appeared in timetables; others were at other more limited times. Bit confused too by your Shapcott/Shapwick note: I think it was always called Shapwick. There was a level crossing somewhere in that area called Catcott where trains stopped to deliver post and milk to the crossing keeper's cottage: I can remember stopping there for quite a long time once while the guard and the crossing keeper had a leisurely chat. Johnlp 09:28, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Have a look at the note on the S&D talk page: I don't know when Spetisbury was reduced to Halt status, but it shut with the three others in 1956 as an economy measure. But unlike the others, it had been a fully fledged station beforehand and had opened with the rest of the line, rather than being added on in 1928 in an attempt to drum up traffic. Johnlp 10:03, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

RVJ Butt has the name change to halt as 13th August 1934 Britmax 14:16, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. That's interesting. I don't have that book. But I know that Spetisbury was a halt before it closed because way back I had some BR luggage labels to it! LSWR ones were to Spetisbury or Spettisbury. BTW, Stourpaine and Durweston Halt's running board, in SR green, is in a garden in Durweston, visible from the road. Johnlp 20:14, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Box

Hi. The box you've been adding to S&D stations is fine, and a nice touch, except that it says London & South Western Railway on it, which isn't right. The S&DJR is a railway in its own right and the LSWR was in many ways less influential on its practices than the Midland, which provided most of the locomotives and rolling stock. Johnlp 17:46, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the response: yes, I think that is an excellent idea. Bit busy IRL at present, but will give a hand if I get a minute. Johnlp 20:12, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Well done. I saw you were going along at great speed, but was still at work, so couldn't do much to help. Tidied up some Midford stuff instead. My knowledge is mostly about the northern end of the line (and pretty rusty, since I don't live anywhere near any more). Johnlp 10:41, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Parkstone Station

Wondering if 'disused' tag should really be there???...the line is still open and in use, it is just the operator that has become superseded...If you follow that route, it will come to stations and track that have been closed or removed, but the two lines through Parkstone itself are still there as part of the mainline between Bournemouth and Poole - has the 'disused' tag been added to the other stations on this route that are still in operation/track still used?? I've put this query on the Parkstone Station talk page as well Abbeybufo (talk) • (contribs) 13:36, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

This seems a good solution - SDJR certainly a disused railway, no problem with that, but line not closed, so removing that wording stops any confusion. Thanks for clarifying it...I quite understood what you were trying to do, just concerned to get to the best way to achieve it - which I think what you have now done does admirably :)) ...BTW when I was a child, we used to gather blackberries on the pottery branch line, and if we walked to Swanage via the ferry and over the top by Old Harry, we would get the train home to Parkstone - changing at Wareham - buying a day return for 2/11 [two shillings and eleven old pence} which was cheaper than the single (over 3 shillings)!! Abbeybufo (talk) • (contribs) 14:26, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
My dad worked in the pottery when Sherrys were on the opposite side of Pottery Rd. When it moved the old claypit where we used to see grebe and other waterfowl got filled in and the whole lot became housing (Copeland Dr & Wedgewood Dr) ;) --Abbeybufo (talk) • (contribs) 14:50, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
BTW meant to ask if you know the book Rails to Poole Harbour by Colin Stone, which is just reprinted (revised ed 2007 - original was 1999) - I bought it the other day on Swanage Station! --Abbeybufo (talk) • (contribs) 20:44, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pix

Lol. What sad cases we are. BTW, I put new pix on Midford and Bath Green Park, too, plus Twerton-on-Avon station. Heading in a different direction this coming weekend: may be able to illustrate Stourpaine & Durweston if the weather is good and the people still have the running board in their garden. Johnlp 12:35, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Pix now on Stourpaine and Durweston railway station and Shillingstone railway station. Johnlp 20:31, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] West costway template

Have you seen this on the talk page Talk:West Coastway Line#Options for splitting, might be an idea to hold back from spending to much time altering it ATM. (SouthernElectric 18:26, 11 October 2007 (UTC))

[edit] WCR Reply

Thanks for the heads up on this. I'll give my opinion on it when I have one but in the meantime lay off the heavy work. Britmax 18:32, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed Template

Both our versions have good bits. I like your solution to the St Denys problem - though I'd be tempted with the extra space you've earned to just join it up and put Eastleigh, Swaythling and the Airport station in. I did wonder whether a solution could be found to keep that quirky loop north of Fareham, my version loses that somewhat. I wouldn't go further than the east end of the Portsmouth triangle though; and would try to keep Portsmouth and Gosport coming at each other from opposite directions as that is more geographically correct. Having to retire now but I'll try to produce a combined version ( and resist the temptation to open up Lee or Stokes Bay!!) tomorrow unless beaten to it. Keep up the good work. Britmax 21:49, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

We all had a long discussion about these 'triangles' the the East Coastway Line (although there is less room on that map), personally I don't really like tham unless all the intermediate stations can be shown plus those stations aren't really on the line in question anyway - bar the need for a certain amount of overlap. As for my map, I'm still working on it around Portsmouth - lots of interesting things to note there :). should be up by tomorrow. (SouthernElectric 22:00, 11 October 2007 (UTC))
OK, Luecke the ends, then. But I'd put Eastleigh in as the Fareham trains go there. Britmax 22:03, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
I've just noticed that on my map (as of this time) I could still move everything over to the right, this would allow more space for the Gosport branch and it's junctions. (SouthernElectric 22:11, 11 October 2007 (UTC))
Re Luecke(ing) the ends and Eastleigh, again this is a problem that exists elsewhere, take a look at the Arun Valley Line at Arundel Junc. where it joins the West Coastway Line, I think people can extrapolate that (some) services go beyond the route map show - the main thing is to have a wiki link to the neighboring route map (SouthernElectric 12:23, 12 October 2007 (UTC))


[edit] Interchange Icons

Re StDenys, the problem is the junction is actually after the platforms at the South'm end, in effect there are SWML platforms and Fareham platforms, the same goes for Lewes on the ECWL. Does that make my rational for using the interchange icons any clearer? (SouthernElectric 21:57, 13 October 2007 (UTC))


Agreed, up to a point, and the solution is clever one. But as this is a fairly simple diagram personally I'd avoid using the interchange icon which looks unwieldy in this situation. I'm having the same problem with Greenford Branch Line. If you feel strongly just leave the interchange in. Britmax 22:08, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes I do think that it's better to represent the interchange platforms and location of the junction in relation than station icon size, as I pointed out on the talk page of the ECWL (IIRC...) station icon size is always going to be open for argument - the example I used was Polegate, now-days a small icon is correct but historically it was a major junction station probably more important than Eastbourne! (SouthernElectric 22:17, 13 October 2007 (UTC))

No Problem. Now if we could link two HST's... but, no. Oddly I did catch a train there at midnight-ish a couple of years ago and it's an eerie place at night. (Steve Harley gig at The Brook). Britmax 22:25, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] West Coastway Line - one screen version

Sorry for bringing the comment here, it's getting crowded / confusing on the article talk page; Sorry but that route map just doesn't work for me (it's just far to complicated, but way to simplified at the same time!), the one thing that Cantaberry and I do/did end up agreeing on was that one big article doesn't work. IMO it's either keep as is or splitting three ways, either incorporating lines west of the Fairlington triangle into other article or new. SouthernElectric 12:41, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Dartmouth railway station

If you can add more to this it would be a good nomination for the Did you know...? section of the main page. I was just about to nominate it myself, but they don't accept stubs. Totnesmartin 20:52, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Not a bad idea but I'm having trouble finding sources. I discovered this station in 1971 when a booking clerk awaited passengers for the ferries Adrian and Humphrey Gilbert. One site in particular thinks that the pontoon pier on the south side of the river is the station. I will persist, however. I'd like to see how they would have got the line past the Boat Float. Britmax 22:18, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
I'll see what the local library has about it. Dartmouth is only a few miles away so they should have something. Totnesmartin 22:22, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Aberdeen to Inverness Line and others

I have seen your work and responded at Talk:Aberdeen to Inverness Line. I have also taken your good work and used it as the basis for Template:Inverness and Aberdeen Junction Railway‎ from your work. Having looked at your User Page, it seems you have been working in a similar vain to me in elsewhere in the UK. Peer checking is always useful. A lot more detail at Talk:Aberdeen to Inverness Line. --Stewart (talk) 23:50, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Following your recent work on this template and others, I was looking at two I created a while back - the Kyle Line and the Far North Line. These had limited links to other passenger lines added. I have now brought these to the same standards - and done a bit of work on the two you have been editting. I do not think the Methil Power Station is appropriate, as it is not a passenger line. It would start to get very messy if all the significant freight lines were added. Now all that has to be done is to bring all the other Scottish Route Map templates to the same level.
However - and it is a big however - those which include Glasgow Central and Edinburgh Waverley will have a lot of links to connecting lines. --Stewart (talk) 23:11, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes I had my doubts about Methil, for the reasons you give. So no freight, then. What's your take on Raith's Farm a) being there at all and b)being there as it's built but not operational yet? As for your remarks on Glasgow, etc well, absolutely. Britmax (talk) 14:21, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Regarding Raith's Farm - being a freight facility, I would not include it through choice. --Stewart (talk) 15:24, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Varsity Line

[edit] Moving telescope

I have added the track plus a note to the template. What do you think? Simply south (talk) 23:21, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Here is what it might look like if i placed it on the template
Varsity Line
LUECKE
Fen Line
BHF
Cambridge
exSTRrg eABZrf
exSTR ABZlf HLUECKE
West Anglia Main Line
exAKRZ-UKu LUECKE
M11
xENDEa LUECKE
Note: Alignment west of Cambridge partially taken
STR LUECKE
over by Mullard Radio Astronomy Observatory's
xENDEe LUECKE
moving telescope
exHST LUECKE
Lord's Bridge
Well this is the only way i can implement it but it cannot be another colour unless one can be found. Simply south (talk)
OK. I wonder if creating a .png\.jpg\.bmp is allowed when creating these iems, or do i have to use the special programme? Simply south (talk) 15:38, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
I've just done a trial run and Image:BSicon xuENDEa black.PNG doesn't seem to work. I wonder if i should request it be deleted, or should i use it as an exaple of icons needed?
The special program i was referring to was here (I haven't got it and just use what is available until something new). Simply south (talk) 16:03, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Varsity Line
LUECKE
Fen Line
BHF
Cambridge
exSTRrg eABZrf
exSTR ABZlf HLUECKE
West Anglia Main Line
exAKRZ-UKu LUECKE
M11
uxENDEa LUECKE
Note: Alignment west of Cambridge partially taken
uSTR LUECKE
over by Mullard Radio Astronomy Observatory's
uxENDEe LUECKE
moving telescope
exHST LUECKE
Lord's Bridge

After requesting some new symbols, it is slightly better but still awaiting some. Simply south (talk) 18:10, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bedford to Hitchin Line

1 thought - typo in Hitchin.

Ignoring that, the line bypassed the new alignment where Bedford St Johns now is, according to multimap. Did the Varsity Line\Oxford to Cambridge Line (alternative name) pass over, under or across the line when travelling towards\from Sandy and Cambridge? Simply south (talk) 16:48, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, can't spell Hitchin. I'll look at the multimap but OS suggests it was the same line: there's an old OS map on the Sub Brit Bedford St Johns page. According to this map the Hitchin line passed through the junction and cut across the Varsity Line on the level. I shall have to stare at both maps and compare and contrast, by the look of things. Britmax (talk) 16:55, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Ah. A look at Google Earth reveals the situation to be, well, interesting. Some revision is called for. Britmax (talk) 17:10, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I looked at it as well (assuming it is the same as google maps with the satellite imagery) and i think it might look something like this

Varsity Line
LUECKE exSTR
Midland Main Line
BHF exSTR
Bedford Midland
ABZlf STRlg exSTR
Old site
STR STR exHST
Bedford St Johns
STR xABZlf HHST xABZ_rd
Current site
STR exSTRlf exABZ3lg eKRZ exHLUECKE
Bedford to Hitchin Line
STR exSTRlf eABZlg
STR eHST
Kempston and Elstow
STR AKRZu
A6
STRlf HSTR HSTR KRZu HLUECKE
Midland Main Line
AKRZu
A421

junction

Simply south (talk) 17:36, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

From looking further

Varsity Line
LUECKE exSTR
Midland Main Line
BHF exSTR
Bedford Midland
ABZlf STRlg exSTR
STR STR exHST
Old site
STR STR exABZlf exSTRlg
Bedford St Johns
STR xABZlf HHST xABZ_rd exSTR
Current site
STR exSTRlf exABZ3lg eKRZ exABZlg
STR exSTRlf eABZlg exLUECKE
Bedford to Hitchin Line
STR eHST
Kempston and Elstow
STR AKRZu
A6
STRlf HSTR HSTR KRZu HLUECKE
Midland Main Line
AKRZu
A421

It seems that there is an old curve from the Bedford to Hichin Line to the line towards Sandy. Simply south (talk) 17:57, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Ok. I'm only upset because this is now more complex than Yeovil on the Heart of Wessex Line. I'll get over it. By all means put it in. I've tweaked up the Bedford St Johns naming lines. Better? Britmax (talk) 18:39, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes it does look good. However, I'll probably just add the version above as i can't be sure. If it is there, then the newer version can be added. What do you think? Simply south (talk) 22:23, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] East Kent Light Railway

Hi, the reason I changed from the diagram to the template was that if a change was made on the template it did not alter the diagram. The layout of the station is fine (see Réseau des Bains de Mer). I have created pages for all stations on the EKLR, but need confirmation of Elvington Village Halt - not to be confused with Tilmanstone Colliery Halt / (renamed Elvington in 1925). The current Elvington redirects to Tilmanstone Colliery! Mjroots (talk) 16:55, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I've rejigged the template so all links work again. Richborough Castle actually carried Richboro Port on its nameboard (Mitchell & Smith pictures 92/93). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjroots (talkcontribs) 17:18, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Richborough Castle Halt was actually on the SR, not the EKLR! Mjroots (talk) 18:38, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Buxton Line

Thanks for your correction to the route map. Sorry I hadn't replied. It now looks much better. I wonder whether all these templates might be improved by finding a way to distinguish passenger lines from freight only ones. I find the Midland Main Line one in particular most difficult to follow as the actual line is only STP to Leeds via Derby, or up the Erewash Valley, with a branch to Nottingham. Chevin (talk) 09:38, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pickle

Any idea what has happened to user:Pickle UK, has he left WP, taking time off or something even worse? SouthernElectric (talk) 15:57, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] South Western Main Line

Thanks for pointing this out. I removed S&D passage in its entirety. Article is pretty poor stuff throughout, but we can't have stuff in there that's just wrong, can we? I'm mostly away at present, so won't necessarily be able to watch it over the next week or so. Johnlp (talk) 00:07, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] East Kent Light Railway

An IP user is making substantial additions to the article. Although the additions don't appear to be vandalism, they are unreferenced, and no edit summary is being given. Maybe you might want to take a look. Mjroots (talk) 21:14, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Central Line

Stratford looks slightly easier to comprehend than before except there i no cross-platform interchange between NR high level and the other lines below. I am glad everyone has sorted out White City's unique feature(ish) but the left hand running and right hand running do not really need to link with White City. The Denham extension looks okay. Simply south (talk) 08:54, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

What looks like a disused platform at Stratford, it is not. The reason that is there is that the proposed relocation site of the NLL platforms once the second Stratford DLR extension opens (using the old NLL route). But on the upper level, the Central Line does have cross-platform interchange with the GEML. Simply south (talk) 11:20, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
That looks good. In the near future, we will have to change the old NLL into the DLR to show the new extension. Simply south (talk) 17:59, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Welsh Highland Railway

Are you sure? My reading of both Google Earth and Ordnance Survey gives what I see as the WHR passing under the Cambrian to the right (east) of Porthmadog station and what appears to be a minor road level crossing. If I'm wrong it wouldn't be the first time (as you know LOL) but.. I'll have another look myself shortly. Getting it right is the important thing. Britmax (talk) 15:25, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes you seem to be right they even had to pay the Cambrian to use it. I will need to sort out the relationship between the WHR and the Festiniog at Porthmadog as they clearly cannot join up at the harbour station with thw WHR coming from the south. I think there was a yard to the south of the crossing over the river from the Harbour Station but this is going to need some digging. Thanks for putting me right. Britmax (talk) 16:18, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Have a look at the Welsh Highland Railway Project Web Site. The Cambrian Crossing page gives the details on the re-instatement of the crossing. Boyd includes pictures of the previous level crossing in place.
Incidentally I had the priviledge of guarding the first passenger train through the Aberglaslyn Pass to just south of Nantmor a few weeks ago. A great time was had by all, now to finish the line through Porthmadog. --Stewart (talk) 16:44, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Well. At one time I'd have put money against Network Rail ever allowing this sort of thing and now there it is. I must check up on Russell (It's only on loan to you from the Purbeck Clay Railways you do know that? {LOL!) The diagrams for WHL and the Cambrian show the in WHR end on junction with the Festiniog. What actually happened? This will probably need changing. Britmax (talk) 17:02, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Porthmadog Harbour is being rebuilt. It will ultimately end up with a terminal platform similar to the current position and a through platform parallel to the road before the line will go onto the road. Following the main project link above can ultimately lead you to the current work in progress, which includes the laying of the rails onto the Britannia Bridge and the link into the temporary connection at Harbour Station (the main works of which will be in the autumn, including widening the north end of the cob). --Stewart (talk) 18:09, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] {{shortcut}}

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One more in the section User:Britmax#Future BS-7 Projects. I didn't notice it before. Thanks. --DRoll (talk) 15:33, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] RE:Aldenham

Thanks for the text!

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[edit] Windsor and Eton diagram

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[edit] Midland and South Western Junction Railway

Hi. As you are whizz with the railway diagrams, I wondered if you could tackle something that's wrong with the M&SWJR diagram but which is way beyond my very limited abilities in this area? There is a rather complicated story in this, which I'll attempt to explain.

The diagram is wrong in that it puts Savernake Low Level station only on the GWR Berks and Hants Extension Railway. In fact, M&SWJR trains passed through this station from 1883 to 1898, when the M&SWJR had running powers over a stretch of the GWR Marlborough branch and the B&HER to Wolfhall Junction just north of Grafton & Burbage station. At this time, the M&SWJR trains were forbidden by the GWR to stop at Savernake Low Level. The M&SWJR then built its own line between its Marlborough station (which was always separate from the GWR station at Marlborough) through a new Savernake High Level station and on to Grafton, so it didn't need to use the GWR lines at all. After the Grouping in 1923, the GWR took over the M&SWJR and rationalised the situation a bit by closing its own Marlborough station and diverting all trains (long distance M&SWJR ones as well as its own branch line services) to the M&SWJR station at Marlborough (which then had services from both Savernake stations). In a final twist, rock falls on the higher level line closed Savernake High Level station in 1958, and all through trains were diverted through (and called at) Savernake Low Level.
Anyway, the gist of this that Savernake Low Level, which is shown at present as on the B&HER only, should be on the second parallel M&SWJR line as well.
Sorry this is so complicated: if you have the Oakley Wiltshire stations book it explains it with a diagram!

Thanks (in anticipation). Johnlp (talk) 23:27, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Savernake Mark One
exBHF
Marlborough
tSTRlg exKBFa exSTR
Marlborough (GWR station)
eABZrg exABZ3rf exABZrf
STR exBHF
Savernake High Level
STR exSTR
Reading to Plymouth Line
xABZlf eHBHF xKRZo eABZ3rg HLUECKE
Savernake Low Level (GWR station)
exSTRlf exHBHF exABZdg exSTRrf
exBHF
Grafton and Burbage




[edit] Savernake Mark Two

Thanks. This is looking a lot more like it, but there was only the one station at Savernake Low Level, so if that station blob moved around the corner to the vertical part of the mainline where the M&SWJR trains also passed through, then that would be more strictly correct. A further complication is that there were two connections between the GWR Marlborough branch and the M&SWJR. One was a short distance up the branch and was used by GWR branch trains from Savernake Low Level to the Marlborough M&SWJR station from 1933 (when the GWR shut its own station in Marlborough). The other was much nearer to Marlborough GWR and was the original connection used from 1883 to 1898 before the opening of M&SWJR's through-line (through Savernake High Level) and then reopened after the Grouping to allow access to the GWR goods yard in Marlborough from the M&SWJR line from the north. I'll write all this into the M&SWJR article at some stage, and then also into the separate Marlborough and Savernake station articles: I've been holding back on doing those a little - you can probably see why! Thanks for taking this on. Johnlp (talk) 06:57, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


Only one low level station. H'mm. In some ways that makes life easier. I will work on this.

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M & SWJR to Swindon
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Marlborough
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Marlborough (GWR station)
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tSTRlg exSTR exTUNNEL2
eDST exABZrg exABZrf
Burbage Wharf Goods Station
STRlf xABZlg exBHF
Savernake High Level
eBHF exSTR
Savernake Low Level
xABZlf xKRZo eABZ3rg HLUECKE
Reading to Plymouth Line
exSTRlf exABZdg exSTRrf
exBHF
Grafton and Burbage
exLUECKE
M & SWJR to Andover
eBHF
Weyhill
xABZlf STRlg
Waterloo - Exeter Line
HLUECKE eABZ3lf ABZ3lf HBHF eABZ3lg HLUECKE
Andover Junction
exSTRrg exHSTR exHBHF exSTRrf
Andover Town

Britmax (talk) 08:58, 8 May 2008 (UTC) Still work to do Britmax (talk) 16:43, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Very good: that's it exactly. I'll try to find out the names of the junctions, but I think in any case that the diagram as it stands would be really useful in the Marlborough and Savernake station articles, as well as the M&SWJR one, and possibly in the Grafton and Burbage article too. If it's of any interest, there was a short tunnel on the Marlborough and Grafton Railway (M&SWJR lain line) between the two junctions to the GWR branch line. I'm also not at all clear where Burbage goods-only station was on the GWR main line: Savernake Low Level had almost no goods facilities because of the existence of this goods-only station less than a mile to the west of it. Burbage was open until 1947. Anyway, brilliant stuff. Johnlp (talk) 20:32, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


I added the tunnel and found some diagrams that give Burbage goods station's location as Burbage wharf on the canal, slightly west of the junctions. I also added luecke's and labels to the MSWJR for use on the station articles. See what you think. Britmax (talk) 19:00, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

PS the Andover thing is the start of an attempt to get Red Post Junction right - another thing entirely. Britmax (talk) 19:30, 9 May 2008 (UTC) Which I've just written off as a waste of time. Still, Savernake. If you agree I could put it into the MSWJR diagram as it is. Britmax (talk) 19:39, 9 May 2008 (UTC) Source[2]

I think that's excellent. If you'd like to lend it to the Marlborough railway stations article that I'm building the moment, probably near the top, then that would be excellent too. I'll finish that sometime tomorrow and then move on to do Savernake, which will be also much improved by the diagram. I may drive there to have a look in the next few weeks, though I suspect there's little left now to see. Thanks for everything. Johnlp (talk) 23:43, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Savernake Mark Three?

Without quite knowing what I'm doing, I've had another fiddle with this to see if I can separate out and then identify the various links between the two lines. This is what I've ended up with. I'd like to be able to get the GWR goods yard at Marlborough in if possible: it was south of the northern link between the two lines and, awkwardly, from 1933 onwards when the GWR branch shut between the southern link and the GWR station, it was accessed from the north from the M&SWJR station. It all seems a very odd way to run a railway! Anyway, this is where I got to without putting the GWR goods yard in. Johnlp (talk) 22:46, 10 May 2008 (UTC)


Your placing of the labels is fine. I've put in an exDST which is the icon for a disused freight station or depot. Britmax (talk) 10:16, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Marlborough and Savernake Area
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M&SWJR to Swindon
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Marlborough (M&SWJR station)
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Marlborough (GWR station)
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Link (1883-98, 1926-64)
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GWR Marlborough Goods
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Marlborough tunnel
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Link (1933-64)
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Savernake Low Level
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Reading to Plymouth Line
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exBHF
Grafton and Burbage
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M&SWJR to Andover


[edit] Template:Welsh Highland Railway

There was a previous connection at Harbour Station to the Creosor Tramway, later the Welsh Highlad Railway. As part of the project to rebuild the Welsh Highland Railway, the connection pointwork at Harbour Station was laid in March, and the new tranway track across the Britannia Bridge is currently being laid. See the Offical WHR Restoration Project for further details. Next spring through trains will be able to run from Blaenau Ffestiniog to Caernarfon (and vice versa). Incidentally you will also be able to follow progress on tracklaying as the previously mentioned website, and the outline arrangements for the new signalling arrangements between Pen-y-Mount and Boston Lodge. --Stewart (talk) 20:15, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the reverts, I would have done it myself! Sorry for the changes but I couldn't see where the bridge was going to go. I'm going to leave this one alone for a while as my cynical views of the limitations of railway preservation projects are obviously left behind by this one. I've rarely been so happy to be wrong about something, though. My invitation to comment on the fledgling attempt to give the Thames - Clyde Express a diagram still stands. Britmax (talk) 20:41, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
I must admit an interest here, as I was a guard on the special train that ran south of Rhyd Ddu to south of Nantmor at the beginning of April, and am hoping to be able to get back for a possible photo charter in the autumn, which should be the first chance for run off the FR onto the new formation. All ready for the Spring 2009 opening. --Stewart (talk) 21:31, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Thames-Clyde Express

I've made a start on a diagram for the Thames Clyde Express here. Having noticed your interest in Scottish lines I would welcome any comments and suggestions you may have. Britmax (talk) 19:27, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I will have a think about this. I think the T-C Express lost its title and was cut back to Nottingham following WCML electrification. Subsequently to be extended to Harwich and renamed The European, then re-routed via WCML to North London Line (did it run via Birmingham?) to Harwich - Class 86 hauled all the way. Possibly part of the BR Inter-City Sector Cross Country routes. It was long gone by privatisation.
An associated set of trains in the late 1950/60 were the Nightriders on the G&SW / S&C / MR route for the Glasgow services from St Enoch; and the Waverley Route / S&C / MR for the Edinburgh services. The Glasgow service was resurrected in the early 1980s between Glasgow Central and London Euston with MkII carriages fitted with blue lights. --Stewart (talk) 21:33, 6 May 2008 (UTC)


Did it serve Birmingham? That question stirs a vague memory from the 1975 GBTT. It may have been WCML to there then to the MML. That's possibly the source of doubts I had over Bedford. More info needed. Oh, Man... Britmax (talk) 07:30, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Abbotsham Road railway station

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