Talk:British Traditional Wicca

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[edit] BTW

I think it should be pointed out that in British Paganism, the term BTW means "British Traditional Witchcraft", and therefore specifically excludes Wicca and all its offshoots. TharkunColl 23:34, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Whereas on the western side of the pond, what you call BTW is beginning to be called TIW (Traditional Initiatory Witchcraft), such as Cochranite, Tubal Cain, 1734, Regency, and Roebuck type groups.--Vidkun 00:05, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

From the first version this has contained 'The term "British Traditional Witchcraft" was suggested, mainly in the United States, as an uncontroversial label for the New Forest-descended covens, but that term is used in Britain to refer to those traditions, such as Cochrane's, that claim a heritage predating Gardner's publications, but not related to Gardner's groups or recent predecessors of it.' Which makes the difference clear enough - though I'm currently fact-checking that, from what I can currently make out "British Traditional Wicca" was coined by the New Wiccan Church people without any reference to British Traditional Witchcraft and I was hence incorrect in this regard, but I'm not going to edit to include this until I'm more sure and can cite. I haven't come across BTW as an initialism for "British Traditional Witchcraft" except were it happens due to BTW meaning British Traditional Wicca being confused, which in turn comes from the very confusion on the meaning of "Wicca" that lead to the coining of the "British Traditional Wicca" in the first place. Still, I'm from IE, not US or GB so I couldn't say what is vernacular of either of those countries, only what I can find attested (for the record, IME in Ireland "Wicca" normally means BTW amongst Pagans, especially witches, but has the same definition as Wikipedia gives it amongst non-Pagans and some Pagan cowans)Talliesin (talk) 01:27, 26 January 2008 (UTC)