Talk:British S class submarine (1931)

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[edit] HMS Seraph

The entry for Seraph in the third-group box at the bottom has only the initial pennant number (S189), whereas the boat is probably better known as P219 - might be an idea to include both perhaps. Ian Dunster 21:36, 7 May 2005 (UTC) Certainly, and remember that the "P" numbers were not simply Pennant numbers, they were the official title of these vessels between 1940 and the end of 1942, during which all new submarines received numbers only - no names. So the Seraph was originally HMS P.219. Rif Winfield 22:57, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] HMS Sea Devil

Why has Sea Devil been included with the second group? She was ordered (as P.244) under the 1941 Programme and was - to the best of my knowledge - identical to the rest of the Third Group (although she was one of that small number of Third Group vessels not fitted with an external torpedo tube). Certainly she was not built to the pre-war designs that comprise the Fist and Second Groups.

There was certainly two sub-groups within the war-built 'S' Class - the 842-ton vessels built with an external torpedo tube, and the 814-ton vessels built without. I have placed the Third Group into the proper programme sequence, but will not move Sea Devil before giving someone the opportunity of explaining why she has been placed with the Second Group. Rif Winfield 20:22, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

In view of the lack of adverse comment from anyone, and having further checked the official records, which all confirm the Sea Devil as a Third Group vessel, I am now moving the Sea Davil from the list of Second Group vessels and placing her appropriately among her Third Group peers. Rif Winfield 12:21, 13 September 2007 (UTC)