Talk:British Rail Class 43 (HST)
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- This comment was on the article page. As does not belong there, I have moved it here. L1v3rp00l 14:35, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Merge
Merge of pages suggested. In my mind, High Speed Train is a very appropriate topic for info about high speed trains in the UK (seperate one exists for overseas already). I think on High Speed Train, there is too much about Class43/IC125 but not enough on APT or Class91&82/IC225. I think that there is info on High Speed Train that could be copied onto British Rail Class 43 (HST). We would then have an "unbrella topic" High Speed Train, where links could lead to Advanced Passenger Train, British Rail Class 43 (HST) and British Rail Class 91 for more detailed information about each type of HST. Any views? Nickg1980
- I agree. The Class 43 page could eventually contain information specific to the locos (such as who operates which ones) that would not be relevant on any other page. Our Phellap 23:31, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
- I also agree. L1v3rp00l 14:35, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Pages reorganised as per original recommendation.
From my original proposal one week ago, there have been two replies, both clearly in favour of the changes. Due to this response, I have reorganised the pages High Speed Train, InterCity 125, British Rail Class 43 (HST) and British Rail Mark 3 so that there is a clear home for everything.
There still appear to be quite a few pages very close to overlapping, although if other people consider that these pages should be fully merged rather than reorganised, they can make a proposal on Talk:British Rail Class 43 (HST).
- High Speed Train now refers as a general overview to high speed rail transport in the UK including APT, IC 125, IC 225, and Classes 180, 220, 221 and 222.
- InterCity 125 now contains only information about complete sets of trains (2 power cars and a rake of coaches) or things which are common to both power cars and coaching stock.
- British Rail Class 43 (HST) now only refers to IC 125 power cars only.
- British Rail Mark 3 now refers only to Mark 3 coaching stock.
This has taken me a long time to do, even though much was copying and pasting, although it is still a little rough around the edges. Please feel free to tidy this up.
Please do not revert the changes - The changes were made after a consultation lasting seven days. The response was unanimously in favour of what has been done. If you disagree with what has been done, please propose on a talk page to revert the changes and if the majority of users feel that way, this is fair enough. The decision to change the pages met no objection of the seven days of consultation.
I hope that you like what has been done. Nickg1980 21:22, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
PS: I've tried to delete no useful information, but often moved from one article to a more relevant one. Nickg1980 21:26, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Cotswold Rail
According to Cotswold Rail's article, the company now has two HST trainsets - needs mention?
- Yeah, these things get out of date quite easily. Be bold in updating pages. Dunc|☺ 13:32, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] SIGNING NOT NEEDED!
Who in the world kept signing those paragraphs? It's not needed for the article! It's only required in the talk pages! DUH! Moojgoo 01:25, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
- Who kept signing the paragraphs? Umm, tricky, but he did leave his signature everywhere, and that might give you a clue... EdJogg 13:00, 14 February 2007 (UTC) :o)
[edit] Merging again
This article and InterCity 125 still contain a lot of duplicate information. I'd suggest making that article the main article (with all the history etc) and reducing this one to technical details of the power car (and little else). --82.45.163.4 11:56, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Multiple operation
The page doesn't make the class 43's mode of operation explicit and it probably should do. I make no guarantees on the following info (part from a rail fan, part speculation) and anyone who has a verifiable source for this would be welcome.
To obtain the required level of power from diesel, class 43 locos work in pairs, one at each end of the train. This provides two driving cabs as well as two engines. Both locos can be controlled from either cab via signalling that runs down the train. This is perhaps the basis for it being originally classified as a multiple unit, but I am really unsure on this. Can a single class 43 haul a train without a rear engine? But, say, four carriages, or eight with substantially reduced acceleration and/or top speed? A lack of a rear cab aside, you could then consider one class 43 and four carriages a multiple unit, that can be joined with another, except that I am not aware that they were ever run as anything but 8 + 2.
There is a suggestion under multiple working that eight of the locomotives can in fact form a true double unit (16 carriages, four engines) but again, this is not clear at all.
Anyone able to formally clarify this?
Ghiraddje 02:26, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Single HSTs
I think a class 43 can haul a number of mk3s because in fact in the late 90s Great Western wanted to reduce its trains to a class 43+4 coaches. However I dont know whether those formations would have needed modifications in the power cars.
[edit] Images
Some of the images are very old, the MML power car featured for example is sporting an out of date livery and there is no image of a FGW MTU power car despite them now making up the vast majority of the FGW fleet. 81.77.103.132 17:37, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
- So you delete them, just like that, that is not what we are aiming for, we are aiming for good quality images of liveries past and present, so don't just delete them, this is the final warning you will have. Britishrailclass91 (talk) 15:42, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- It appears Britishrailclass91 must have misunderstood something here. 81.77.103.132 didn't remove any images. Adambro (talk) 15:56, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- No,sorry but I don't think that I have misunderstood, the picture of the old-look Midland Mainline HST has dissapeared! Britishrailclass91 (talk) 18:06, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- That would have been me then, replacing the image showing the EMT Class 43 two liveries ago with EMT's own livery. Adambro (talk) 18:24, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- Oh right, profuse apologies then! Britishrailclass91 (talk) 19:15, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- That would have been me then, replacing the image showing the EMT Class 43 two liveries ago with EMT's own livery. Adambro (talk) 18:24, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- No,sorry but I don't think that I have misunderstood, the picture of the old-look Midland Mainline HST has dissapeared! Britishrailclass91 (talk) 18:06, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- It appears Britishrailclass91 must have misunderstood something here. 81.77.103.132 didn't remove any images. Adambro (talk) 15:56, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Infobox Picture
I have changed the main infobox image, as the new one better shows the actual class 43 HST rather than the whole InterCity 125. I feel this is the right image to aim for! Britishrailclass91 (talk) 10:00, 5 May 2008 (UTC)