Talk:British North America

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[edit] Desrepancy in dates

How is ie term "British North America" was first used in 1783, but then the list of members is from 1763? - grubber 04:12, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Hello grubber, you are correct. The proper usage for the term the British Colonies in North America, is British America and the British West Indies for the time period prior to 1783. Similarly, the proper usage is the term British Colonies in North America is British North America and the British West Indies for the time period after 1783.

I propose that Loyalist Six Colonies of the Nineteen Colonies be merged into this article. 64.231.49.211 03:35, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Since the Thirteen Colonies has its own stand alone article, I propose that the Loyalist Six Colonies of the Nineteen Colonies should their own stand alone artilce as well. Fair is fair eh.

ArmchairVexillologistDon 05:19, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't think that "Loyalist Six Colonies" should be merged into anything. It should be deleted. "Loyalist Six Colonies" returns zero hits on Google. Even the map in the article refers to "The Thirteen Colonies" and "Other British Colonies".

Don's idea of "fair is fair eh" shows, I think, a lack of understanding of how Wikipedia works. The fact that we have an article on Ken Dryden does not mean we have an article called The approximately six billion people on Earth who are not named Ken Dryden. -Joshuapaquin 20:04, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Hello JoshuaPaquin. I see you haven't changed. Now, as per deleting the Loyalist Six Colonies of the Nineteen Colonies, I earnestly hope that does not happen. I believe it is a good article, and I look forward to its development and growth.

As per not-understanding how Wikipedia works, you know that that is incorrect. I am well aware of how Wikipedia works. Indeed.

ArmchairVexillologistDon 20:22, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

• I support the proposed merger. What is important is that the article is where people expect to find it. "British North America" works; "Six colonies" (or sim.) doesn't. semper fictilis 18:11, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

As per usual Wikipedia consensus kills another informative and useful article. The Loyalist Six Colonies of the Nineteen Colonies was important. Firstly, Americans and English-Canadians have a common origin and they need to remember that. It was only the choice to fight for King George III that divided us from one people into two peoples. Secondly, the British Colonies in North America were historically refered to as two separate British Colonial Regions, namely, British America and the British West Indies prior to 1783, and after 1783 they were refered to as British North America and the British West Indies.

At its zenith (1763-1775) British America had 19 Settler Colonies, 1 Commerical Colony (i.e., the Hudson's Bay Land), and 1 Crown Colony (i.e., the Crown Lands Reserved for the Indians). Its massive borders stretched from the top of Hudson's Bay in the North to the Florida Keys in the South; from the Mississippi River in the West to the Island of Newfoundland in the East. British America was arguable the best Colony that the British every had, and they scandered it (well the Firebrand Patriots and the "Kings-Friends" both had blood-on-their-hands). The schism in British America of the 19 Colonies into the 13 Patriot Colonies and the 6 Loyalist Colonies was a tragedy. Just as tragic as about 100 years later when the schism of Union States and Confederate States occurred. At least the Union was able to re-absorb the Confederacy, and make the nation one again.

ArmchairVexillologistDon 19:46, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I think it is pretty bad wiki to have a this article stand as the article for pre- and post- revolutionary times. There needs to be an article about the 19 colonies, or the British Colonies in North America, which I think should end at 1776, with further reading in the 13 Colonies and British North America articles... WayeMason 02:28, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, exactly. If this term is only used about the situation after the creation of the US, then there is no point in listing the 13 colonies that joined the US from the start. They were never part of "British North America", as the article itself defines the term. They had nothing to do with British North America, actually, apart from being its enemies. Could we all agree on this? (One could always add a little boilerplate on the top, to the extent of: "This term is only used for colonies that were British after 1783. For previously British colonies in North America, see [other article].)" That is, if nobody disputes the statement that "British North America" is only used in this sense. If somebody does, then the intro must be altered instead. -- Jao 23:49, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Continental North America

The article refers to Continental North America in its first sentence, but goes on to treat the Dominion of Newfoundland as part of British North America. Labrador may be on the continent, but is the island of Newfoundland? Isn't this a conflict? clariosophic 19:51, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

No, the Island of Newfoundland on the East Coast is considered apart of Continental North America, just as Vancouver Island and the Aleutian Islands on the West Coast are as well.

ArmchairVexillologistDon 23:28, 17 October 2007 (UTC)