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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was moved. DrKiernan (talk) 13:14, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Requested move

Indian British → British Indian — The American-style names "Indian British" or "Indian Britons" are not used in reliable sources about this population group.

The current British Indian disambiguation page could either go at British Indian (disambiguation) or be merged with the former version of Indian British (which also used to be a disambiguation page). Regards, cab (talk) 01:17, 21 March 2008 (UTC) —cab (talk) 01:17, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Survey

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[edit] Discussion

Any additional comments:

Where's the article for people of English/Scottish/Welsh/Irish descent who were born and raised in India? What should the title of that be? A significant number of the hits you refer to seem to relate to that, not this. Dekimasuよ! 04:38, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Traditionally called Anglo-Indians, though that term now generally refers to Eurasians. Relata refero (talk) 14:22, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
Really? Can you point to some examples? Aside from the use of "British Indian" to refer to UK residents of Indian descent, the only other major usages I can see among the GBooks/GScholar hits is "Indian subjects of the British Empire" during the Indian colonial era, and a few about indigeneous peoples of North America and their relation to the British Empire. The term Anglo-Indian used to be used to refer to any English/Scottish/Welsh/Irish person resident in India, but these days is used to refer exclusively to the mixed-race. Probably because these days, the actual number of Britons of non-Indian descent settling in India (as opposed to living there as expatriates for a while) is quite miniscule. cab (talk) 06:02, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

[edit] Oppose

I created the the Indian British article, and I do not appreciate that you keep changing the articles name to British Indian, what reasoning at all do you have behind it. The term British Indian means Indian people of British descent. Even the UK's National Statistics used the term Asian or Asian British (including Indian British), all other Indian diasporas have the 'Indian' in the name first (Indian American, Indian Canadian etc). Renaming the article has made the meaning the complete opposite, and has helped to make ther small article even worse. I would be thankful if you could lift the 'move page block' as it needs renaming to its former self. I see absolutely no reason why you shouldn't, except the fact that another article is called British Asian, which is also wrong, but I do not yet want to get involved with such a complicated article, follow the link to the the correct term - Asian British, hence Indian British - in usage [1]. Thanks Stevvvv4444 (talk) 19:27, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

You do not own articles that you create; article titles, like any other aspect of the article, are decided by consensus among editors based on the names used in reliable sources. The government (whose usage is hardly decsisive: "Asian or Asian British: Indian") are merely one such reliable source among many. It's meaningless to call one or the other ordering "wrong" because it doesn't follow some arbitrary convention; there is no requirement in the English language that we always put country of origin first and country of destination second in such names. Accordingly, "British Indian" does not not mean "Indians of British descent"; it means what reliable sources use it to mean, namely Britons of Indian descent.
Not all other Indian diaspora populations have their name in the American-style "Indian Xyzian" ordering anyway (most notably Malaysian Indians and Burmese Indians, two groups in former British colonies); looking at other groups, there's even less support for the alleged convention "country of origin always goes first" (Sakhalin Koreans, Malaysian Chinese, Volga Germans, etc). I have proposed the guideline Wikipedia:Naming conventions (immigrant ethnic groups) on this matter, but it has not received much discussion. You may want to comment at the talk page there. cab (talk) 15:22, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Religion

Quoted from the main page: "Most British Indians are Sikhs, Hindus, and there is also a strong Christian community. British Indians in Britain are reffered to as British Asians! Many do not want to be reffered as British Asian because they are then linked to the Muslim Pakistani community."

This makes no sense whatsoever-- BK2006 17:14 (PST) March 26 2008