Talk:British Conflict with Zionism

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[edit] Lord Moyne anti-semite or anti-zionist

There is a contradiction between this article and the one on Lord Moyne. Unless anyone can source info on him being Anti-Semitic I think this article should show him as Anti-ZionistJonathan Cardy (talk) 13:02, 8 May 2008 (UTC).

I suggest you read the article on Lord Moyne through to the end. There is plenty of evidence there to suggest that he was an anti-semite. Telaviv1 (talk) 07:37, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

By reverting my edit you've left this article contradicting another. Can I suggest you reconsider and revert your last edit? I've reread Lord Moyne, and don't see either of your points, there is plenty of evidence in that article that he was anti-zionist and that Britain's antizionist policy was the motive of his assassins, and specifically that it was the office he held that made him a target.

There are a couple of very anti-semitic points, but both are clearly challenged within the article. His responsibility for Britain operating an Anti-Zionist policy in the mandate is clear as is the motive of his assassins.

As for the relevance in an article on 'British conflict with Zionism of his being a close friend and ally of Churchill, the article on Lord Moyne says: British prime minister Winston Churchill, until then the Zionists' main supporter in London, was deeply disillusioned and his further support for Zionism was greatly subdued.[59][60] Moyne had been sent to Cairo because of their long personal and political friendship, and Churchill told the House of Commons:

   "If our dreams for Zionism are to end in the smoke of an assassin's pistol, and the labours for its future produce a new set of gangsters worthy of Nazi Germany, then many like myself will have to reconsider the position we have maintained so consistently and so long in the past".[61]

The Times of London quoted Ha'aretz's view that the assassins "have done more by this single reprehensible crime to demolish the edifice erected by three generations of Jewish pioneers than is imaginable."[62]

In November 1943, a committee of the British Cabinet had proposed a partition of Palestine after the war, based loosely on the 1937 Peel Commission proposal. The plan included a Jewish state, a small residual mandatory area under British control, and an Arab state to be joined in a large Arab federation of Greater Syria. The Cabinet approved the plan in principle in January 1944, but it faced severe opposition from the Foreign Secretary Anthony Eden among others. "Moyne's position differed from that of nearly all the British civil and military officials in the Middle East: the consensus of British official opinion in the area opposed partition and opposed a Jewish state; Moyne supported both."[64] The partition plan was before the Cabinet for final approval in the same week that Moyne was assassinated, but the assassination caused it to be immediately shelved and never resurrected. Moyne's successor in Cairo, Sir Edward Grigg, was opposed to partition.[65] Some historians, such as Wasserstein and Porath, have speculated that a Jewish state soon after the war had been a real possibility.[66][67]

So there is a conflict between these two articles, the one on Lord Moyne spells out that the death of a close ally of the then British Prime Minister led to a major change in British Policy re Zionism, this article merely describes him as an anti-semite and makes no mention of the repercussions of his assassination on British conflict with Zionism.Jonathan Cardy (talk) 07:24, 13 May 2008 (UTC)