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[edit] Scots Language
Scots Language. There is only one Scots Language! See: (http://ww2.eblul.org:8080/eblul/Public/member_state_committ/british_committee/uk2/view)
The european charter from the Council of Europe(http://conventions.coe.int/Treaty/Commun/ListeDeclarations.asp?NT=148&CV=1&NA=&PO=999&CN=999&VL=1&CM=9&CL=ENG) "b) The United Kingdom declares, in accordance with Article 2, paragraph 1 of the Charter that it recognises that Scots and Ulster Scots meet the Charter's definition of a regional or minority language for the purposes of Part II of the Charter." NOTE: _a_ regional or minority _language_ not two separate ones.
The North/South Co-operation (Implementation Bodies) Northern Ireland Order 1999 defines 'Ulster Scots' as "the variety of the Scots language which has traditionally been used in parts of Northern Ireland and in Donegal in Ireland."
The Good Friday Agreement doesn't even use the qualifier 'language' when mentioning Ulster Scots: (http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/events/peace/docs/agreement.htm) "3. All participants recognise the importance of respect, understanding and tolerance in relation to linguistic diversity, including in Northern Ireland, the Irish language, Ulster-Scots and the languages of the various ethnic communities, all of which are part of the cultural wealth of the island of Ireland."
User:217.225.26.59, 01:19, Aug 22, 2004
- Whilst this point is valid (yet POV, see my comments on Talk:UK and User talk:217.225.26.59), it's not relevant to this article. The British–Irish Council has nothing to do with the Scots language as spoken in Scotland and only deals with it as spoken in Northern Ireland (and the Wikipedia has a separate page for the language in that context at Ulster Scots language).
- If you want to contest that the two language pages should be merged, then feel free to do so on the talk pages for the two language entries. As Ullans is a term used in governmental documents, though, personally, I doubt you would gain consensus to make such a change. Please do create an account so that your edits can be attributed, though, either way — it makes discussions such as these much easier to follow. — OwenBlacker 00:41, Aug 24, 2004 (UTC)
[edit] 'Britsh Isles'
I have removed the term 'British Isles' from the article and replaced it with the UK, its Crown Dependencies and Ireland. Strand Three of the Agreement makes no reference to the term nor does the official British-Council website. The replacement sentence is more accurate and neutral.Iolar Iontach
I am going to add to the unoffical name of the Council area the term British Isles Council. The only reason that this council's offical name is not the British Isles Council is because of political correctness and many unionists in Northern Ireland use that name to refer to the Council as I do myself. The geographical area the Council represents is the British Isles and that is a FACT. Southern Irish and Irish nationalists have DELIBERATELY refused to understand that British Isles is a GEOGRAPHIC term ONLY and NOT a political one! The British Isles is just the correct name for the archipelago off the north coast of France and its sad because of PC that can't be the councils proper name! YourPTR! 18:12, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Biased Article in favor of Catholics!
British-Irish Council may be the official name but it and Council of the Isles are heavily POV biased in favor of Nationalist sentiment. Unfortunately the Catholics have been allowed to run amok and name the Council rather than the majority of the British Isles citizens. It is so sad when PC is allowed to take over and for such a baffling and pathetic cause. All I want to do is add British Isles Council as an UNOFFICIAL name to give this article some balance from a Unionist perspective. Anyone who is not a Irish nationalist considers the Council to be and its proper name should be The British Isles Council. After all, that is the archipelago that the council has been set up to represent but every time I go to make this modest change it is reversed. Catholics have got there way with a innacurate name for the Council and now they wont let us unionists add our unofficial name of what the Councils name should be in our hearts. Where is the justice? YourPTR! 15:13, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
- At no point in the councils website does it use the term British Isles Council and none of the major broadcasters use this term, and the article is merely a list of the organisations involved how on earth is this biased and POV --Barrytalk 14:23, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
It doesn't matter whether the website uses the term or not. The whole world recognizes that Ireland is part of the British Isles. The area the Council covers is the British Isles. Everyone who is not a Irish nationalist feels the name should be British Isles Council and views it as such. It is only called British-Irish council to appease Irish Nationalists. The popularly held view of what the Councils name SHOULD be MUST be stated! How are we ever going to have a non-biased article on ANY page to do with the island of Ireland or the British Isles if only a slanted Irish Nationalist viewpoint is put accross? I am going to add BRITISH ISLES COUNCIL back to the unofficial names seeing as the only names this council is listed as now are IRISH NATIONALIST ONES! Hardly unbiased!YourPTR! 00:39, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
- Oh dear! Somone's getting confused between Catholics and Nationalists. Can you tell from here what the religion an editor is? - Alison✍ 02:48, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
Does the "whole world" recognise that? Oh no, it isn't the whole world, as it doesn't include Irish Nationalists as you go on to state. Does the whole world have an interest in these miserable islands? Probably not. Was it set up to appease Irish Nationalists (is that referring to Northern Ireland Catholics, or all of us t'other side of the border too? Sorry to keep using apostrophes as I see you are unable to do so fully). No, it was set up to appease Unionists by creating a forum where British political entities would be in a large majority and so you could talk s**** to an even wider audience. Perhaps myself and my neighbours could set ourselves up as pretend sovereign states and beef up the Irish representation in this talking shop.
Now, why did I use the term "British political entities"? Well, neither the Isle of Man, nor the Channels Islands are in the UK. Geologically the Channel Islands are separate from Britain (or "The Mayenlawnd" as you chaps call it). Calling it the British-Irish Council demonstrates that it is composed of British and Irish political entities. If there was to be a sop to Irish Nationalists, this forum for you to vent your spleen and demonstrate your pretend importance wouldn't exist at all. I certainly have no wish to subsidise this drivel platform any more than I desire the handing over of €1bn to subsidise your BMW-saturated economy while concomitantly listening to you people and your indefatigable whining.
194.46.252.180 22:23, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
