Talk:Bristol Temple Meads railway station

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[edit] Platform 14?

Why is there no platform 13? Tompw 17:29, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Don't you mean why is there no platform 14? (I have no idea but that's what the article states) - fchd 18:34, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
Whoops... yes I do mean "Why is there no platform 14?" Tompw 21:05, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
My guess is that its because odd-numbered platforms are at the northern end of the station, and the even numbered ones are at the southern end. Platform 14 would be the southern end of platform 13, but its not really long enough for two faces (and you can't go south from platfrom 13 because of buffers). Likewise, platform 15 is the northern end of the opposite face, which again isn't long enough for two, but the southern end of this would be 16. Thryduulf 12:03, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] First station?

How can this be the first railroad (railway) station - looks like Ellicott City, Maryland, USA, had one, albeit a much less grand one, almost 10 years earlier. http://www.ecbo.org/historic-site.shtml

It doesn't say it's the first. Tompw 11:45, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Railway line diagram

I'd like to know who created and added to it because I'd like help creating a similar one for Cardiff Central. Thanks Welshleprechaun (talk) 17:45, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

That would be me! I've put together a basic diagram for Cardiff in my sandbox and have copied it to the Cardiff Central railway station article. I'll leave any changes for you to make. David Bailey (talk) 00:11, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Someone removed the Cardiff diagram, but I salvaged it and stored it at Template:Cardiff Lines. It is currently not being used. The Bristol lines diagram has been moved to its own page (Template:Bristol Lines) which will make it easier to insert into other stations in Bristol, such as Bristol Parkway which I've just added it to. Thanks for the diagrams! I've done some for Manchester and Reading. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anywikiuser (talk • contribs) 17:48, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for that Anywikiuser. Good idea to put them on as templates... I should have done so in the beginning, but it didn't occur to me at the time. Shazz0r removed the diagram from the Cardiff Central article last week and I was tempted to put it straight back, given that he's only been on Wikipedia since November 2007. Instead, I might put a notice on the article's talk page to find out if anyone finds it of interest or of use. David Bailey (talk) 19:54, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] A few comments before GA nomination

Following a request by User:Geof Sheppard on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Bristol to take a look at this article and see what else needs doing, I have a few comments which are meant to be constructive:

  1. In the infobox picture caption is "dramatic" POV?
  2. The first line claims "oldest and largest railway station in Bristol" - although I know it to be true a claim like this needs to be referenced for a reviewer who may never have been to Bristol. Also how is being situated "situated east of the main city centre" relevant to it being the oldest & largest?
  3. The claim "earlier parts of the station are all Grade 1 listed buildings" is not really supported by the reference (14) which relates to a 1865-78 building by By Sir Matthew Digby Wyatt. Are there other references for other parts of the station being listed.
  4. Do the passenger numbers need to be in the lede is such detail?
  5. Could some of the references from Temple Church, Bristol be used to support the claims about the name?
  6. I find the sentence "The curved wrought-iron train shed over the new through platforms was 500 feet (150 m) long on the platform wall." confusing. - Why? I interpret it as "The train shed and the platforms are curved; the length of the curve was 500 feet".Pyrotec (talk) 17:33, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm confused by how a platform can be "on the wall".— Rod talk 18:33, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
The platform is higher than the track, the wall is what the platform rests on at the track-edge of the platform. If you look at this
, you will see the wall just in front of the train (and also hidden by the train). Sorry to labour the point.Pyrotec (talk) 18:47, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
Aren't platforms always higher than the track? but I've struck it.
This was how it was described in the cited text. It struck me as an odd phrase, but I thought it meant the supporting wall which is on the platform. Geof Sheppard (talk) 16:31, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
  1. There is a clarify tag on "This had a junction nearly 0.5 metres (0.00050 km) from the station" I think different units could be used.
  2. In the section 1870s expansion some other towns could be linked eg Gloucester & Bath
  3. Could "South Wales Junction" be explained on first mention (I thought it was in Wales) as it is several paragraphs later we get "alongside Bristol East Junction (formerly South Wales Junction)"
No it went to New Passage; it was superseded by the Severn Tunnel, but it appears that the latter line used most of the track bed of the former.Pyrotec (talk) 20:16, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
  1. In 20th century should "Canons Marsh" be wikilinked (currently is a redirect to to Cabot, Bristol)
  2. It might just be me but I don't understand "As part of this work four exitisng signal boxes were replaced by three new Power Signal Boxes and the semaphore signals and mechanical point linkages were replaced by electric searchlight signals and point motors."
Perhaps it could be restated. Four mechanical boxes (plus manual points & signals) replaced by three (electric) signal boxes (with electric signals and electrical-operated points).Pyrotec (talk) 18:52, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
I've added some wikilinks that should clarify the existing text.Pyrotec (talk) 19:06, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
Much better - I never knew there were so many different types of signal boxes etc.
  1. There seems to be a list of when different lines closed but no discussion/explanation of why this was. - Its probably safe to blame Beeching! Pyrotec (talk) 18:53, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
So should a link to Beeching Axe be included?— Rod talk 19:40, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
  1. The link to DMU is to a disambiguation page - I presume this should be Diesel Multiple Unit ? & should be written out in full for the uninitiated like me.
  2. Should "automated teller machines (ATM)" be wikilinked?
  3. should "British Transport Police" be wikilinked?
  4. why is Spur in "Spur sidings" capitalised?
It's a Proper Noun, that's why! (Or so the maps say)Geof Sheppard (talk) 16:31, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
  1. Is "important station" POV?
  2. Should Mendips point to Mendip Hills ?
  3. I would split the refs into 2 columns but that is personal preference

I hope these comments are useful.— Rod talk 20:20, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Should Avon Bridge (built in 1839 by Isambard Kingdom Brunel to carry the Great Western Main Line into Bristol Temple Meads railway station over the Avon) get a mention?— Rod talk 22:29, 6 June 2008 (UTC) - Done.Pyrotec (talk) 21:24, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

There is a redlink to Barton Hill TMD - what does TMD stand for & is this the same as St Philips Marsh T&RSMD which is described in detail on St Philips Marsh, Bristol.— Rod talk 16:12, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Its a Traction maintenance depot.Pyrotec (talk) 17:01, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

I feel there have been great improvements in the clarity - but lots of single sentence paragraphs (& even sections) ave been introduced which a GA reviewer is likely to criticise. Could they be combined?— Rod talk 19:40, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Well I'm probably guilty of those. I'm trying to clean up the article (well my vision anyway) without changing the style too much; and I'm trying to make sense of what is being said. If they are still there by Monday, feel free to copyedit them.Pyrotec (talk) 20:12, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for all the edits folks, much appreciated! In terms of pictures, there are no historical views, and a picture of the B&E offices would be useful. Geof Sheppard (talk) 16:31, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Here's a link to an E-H view: [[1]], copyright ownership is stated so I suspect that we can only add a link, not a copy. Pity!Pyrotec (talk) 17:40, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
As that is a simple digital reproduction of a very old work, I don't think that warrants fresh copyright. So we could copy that image into the commons, though maybe it is a bit impolite. See Wikipedia:Public_domain#Derived_works_and_restorations_of_works_in_the_public_domain. Rwendland (talk) 20:49, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
According to this [[2]] images are protected by copyright, and a reproduction fee may be needed. Under English Law (OK I know that the wikipedia servers are not in England) it cannot be uploaded without written permission from English Heritage (and a fee paid, if they demand one).Pyrotec (talk) 21:12, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
I don't know on what legal basis they make that claim for a copyright expired image. Anyone have an idea? If no-one here has an idea, I'll make a FOIA request to English Heritage for any legal advice / documents they have backing up that claim. I see one of their 3 objectives is "Broaden public access to the heritage"! [3] Rwendland (talk) 22:30, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Before considering FOIA (& I've taken a case all the way to Information Tribunal 2.5 years) look at Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission I would use Wikipedia:Example requests for permission & see what they say.— Rod talk 07:01, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image of old station needed.

This article is crying-out for a classic interior view of the old station (like while there were still tracks in there). -- EdJogg (talk) 09:19, 7 June 2008 (UTC)