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[edit] Needs to be reviewed by Military history WikiProject

I came here off the Wikipedia:Most wanted stubs page, made additions and destubbed the article. I had User:Beland check the work and he removed the stub class rating that Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history had on this talk page and reccommended that I request they classify it. If it has areas that need to be improved or are missing I hope they will list them here after their review is done.--Wowaconia 16:19, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Assessment was made below--Wowaconia 20:46, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Brig, Switzerland?

Text removed from brigantine:

Brig redirects here, for an alternate use see: Brig, Switzerland

The target article does not exist. Suggest adding

This article is about the sailing vessel. For the town in Switzerland, see Brig, Switzerland.

if and when it does (assuming it's a town). Andrewa 17:17, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)

The town has a wiki-page moving last suggested formulation to top of article suggeston.--Wowaconia 16:31, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

There are more articles named brig so went with other uses tag.--Wowaconia 16:35, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Must have two square sails to be a brig.

All the sources I'm seeing are saying that to be a brig both sails must be square not as the current article says "at least one". I think the modern usage takes precedence and its not as modern as you might think because I found a LOC ref to a brig George Washington had and they say that at that time 1774 there was already a common distinction between Brig and Brigantine. I'm going to change this if I find historical usage that indicates that at one point a ship could be a brig with just one square sail I'll note it in a historical perspective segment.--Wowaconia 01:45, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

This info is all in the segment "Development of the brig".--Wowaconia 18:09, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] On merging

I don't think these articles should be merged, while the brig evolved from the brigantine they had seperate histories after that and to try and weave them together into one article would confuse the reader. When these articles were both small that might have made sense, but I think this article can now stand on its own and perhaps the brigantine article should be cleaned up and expanded.--Wowaconia 18:13, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Were ships converted between brig and brigantine rigs with any frequency? If not, I don't think a merge is called for. -- Akb4 20:27, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Assessment

Just looking over the article, I would say expanding the introduction and adding an infobox should be enough to move this up to "B class" status. For now I still think it is a "Start-class". Cheers--Looper5920 19:29, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

These were added and Looper5920 upgraded class to B.--Wowaconia 20:48, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] list of brigs

I alphabetized the list of brigs. Removing the Mary Celeste, as the painting on her page makes clear that she was a brigantine. Chrono would likely be a better order than alpha, but I wasn't quite up for that. -- Akb4 20:44, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NO Brig, Brigantine

Sorry, my English is very bad. I hope, you'll nevertheless understand me.

What you describe is no Brig, it" a Brigantine: Brig has both masts full square-sail-rigged! Brigantine is different in having main mast full or partetly fore-and-aft sail rigged. That this is not only my opinion and aswell not based on different definitions in engl. or german did show me aswell your own article Brigantine:

is a principally fore-and-aft rig with a square rigged foremast,
as opposed to a brig which is square rigged on both masts.

So of course aswell the Lady Washington is no brig, but brigantine and her foto is here wrong. As wrong as the whole infobox: Place of origin is not Mediterranean - might be Atlantik, might be Chanal. Weight, length and crews are nonsens, brigs are only specyfied on their rigg: if you'll build tomorrow a 100-m-2-mast-square-rigged ship, it will aswell be a brig. Please, change these misstakes, before no-sailors will begin to lough. --Skipper Michael 18:47, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

It is hard to understand what you are saying. There are references provided concerning the rigging if you take issue with them provide alternative references backing your position. The Lady Washington (recreation) is a brig as shown on her own article page and if one follows the external link to her own internet homepage it states the same thing. Remember within Wikipedia any claims you wish to make must have references to third-party experts.--Wowaconia 16:58, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Brig Unicorn = PotC's "Black Pearl"?

Am finding conflicting info regarding the use of Brig Unicorn from St. Lucia and its appearances in Pirates of the Caribbean. It's being marketed on various St Lucia websites and elsewhere as being the Black Pearl in at least the first film (and with appearances as other ships in the other 2 films). The official unofficial PotC website Keep to the Code said that the brig played a different role in the movie (at least in the discussion forums). If someone can shed some light if they know more and update both this page with the Unicorn's participation as well as adding it to the appropriate PotC / Black Pearl page, that would be swell. SpikeJones 20:46, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Military prison

How'd the transition get made from brig to military prison, etymologically speaking? Probably relevant here, innit? MrZaiustalk 13:25, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Apparently the use of these vessels as prison ships led to the use; see http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=brig&searchmode=none should we make a note of this in the article?

--Wowaconia 23:15, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] POP Culture

The brig is also the title of the 19th episode, 3rd season, of the tv series Lost. The main event of the episode takes place inside a brig.