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[edit] Children

It says he had one child, Pamela, with his ex-wife. Who is the mother of his children Riley and Kennedy? I think this information should be in the article. Or at least it should say that he had two other children through previous relationships.

The Tyna Robertson case is getting a lot of news here in Chicago, but I feel the way this article is written is very NPOV towards her. This article seems to paint her as the villain solely based on her previous claim against Michael Flatley. There is nothing in this article about Urlacher's visitation rights or his demand that she drop the child off at his house on his days.68.166.88.10 23:57, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

The JockBio article may be a little out of data, so I should probably look who is the mother of his other children. While I have heard that Urlacher put up a fight to secure custody of his children, I'll look it up too. (There was something about it here. Thanks for the input :) --ShadowJester07 00:27, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I went and did some seaching. Kennedy is the name of his child with Tyna Robertson. I am not sure if Kennedy's last name is Robertson or Urlacher. Since Kennedy appears to live full-time with Ms. Robertson (which is the reason behind Urlacher's custody dispute - he wants to see the child more often and wants Ms. Robertson to drive Kennedy to his home or meet him halfway in between), I think the statement in the article that he "lives with his three children Pamela, Riley and Kennedy" needs revision. I still have not been able to find out who is the mother of Riley.68.166.88.10 16:32, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Doesnt his daughter Pamela live with his ex-wife? If yes, then why does it say that she lives with him? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.101.174.158 (talk) 04:41, August 20, 2007 (UTC)

Pamela and Riley live with Urlacher. He's currently fighting to gain custody of Kennedy, who splits time with him and Robertson. --ShadowJester07 ► Talk 05:14, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up, but still his ex is in Arizona so is it joint custody? Cause I highly doubt she's the type of women who just ditches her kids. Furthermore I am quite sure Riley is her daughter. There are so many different sites which say she is or isn't but he makes it out like she is. Like at tonight's game he said his daughters were in Pheonix- which is where Laurie lives... I am really confused.

The press does not really talk about Urlacher's relationship with his ex-wife, Laurie. I believe he fathered at least on child with her, his daughter, Pamela. According to SportingNews.com, Pamela is five, Riley is eighteen months, and Kennedy is fifteen months old as of November 2006. Given Riley and Kennedy were born three months apart, I'm assuming that he obviously fathered them with different women. Nevertheless, I agree with you that Laurie would not just drop her kids off on Urlacher; They likely have some form of joint custody, though I have yet to find a source that confirms this.
To summarize this, Pamela and Riley live with Urlacher, though they might possible also spend time with Laurie. His only son, Kennedy is currently in a custody battle between him and Robertson. Sources have suggested Urlacher wants Kennedy to live with him full-time, but Robertson thinks differently. I think a judge even ordered them share the child, but Urlacher is claiming Robertson is unwilling to, due to her schedule. --ShadowJester07 ► Talk 12:19, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. When it comes to it I don't really care because its his personal life and not really our business but I was just curious because there is so much contradicting info on the web about his first two daughters and his ex-wife. I just find it annoying. Thanks for taking your time out to let me know. I appreciate it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.101.174.158 (talk) 04:27, August 22, 2007 (UTC)

I just thought, if Riley is the kid whose 3 months older than Kennedy it is Laurie's daughter. Because it was reported everywhere that he got his wife pregnant and Robinson at almost the same time. So therefore Riley is Laurie's daughter too. If you udnerstand what I'm saying lol. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.101.174.158 (talk) 16:18, August 25, 2007 (UTC)

You could be right on that. Since Urlacher fathered both children near the same time, I doubt Robertson would attempt to go after a kid that does not belong to her. So, Riley and Pamela belong to Laurie, as you stated. --ShadowJester07 ► Talk 16:34, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Urlacher dated Paris Hilton for a weekend, so why does she even deserve a sentence in his biography. Its kind of stupid, I have nothing against her but him dating her for a couple days is irrelevant to his life, even he says that. I vote that be taken out, and if we are gonna have that shit then we need to throw in that he's dating Jenner Evans (a former reality star he dated in college and on/off after that). If not then Paris shouldn't be in there either.

[edit] Pro Bowl

Why is Urlacher skipping out on the Probowl this year? I never heard if he had an injury or what.

I'm not exactly sure, I guess he didn't want to go. --ShadowJester07 03:53, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

The Chad Johnson dance comment had little or nothing to do with Urlacher.

[edit] Possible copyright violation

Parts of this article seem to be take directly (or with minimal rephrasing) from the copyrighted entry at http://www.jockbio.com/Bios/Urlacher/Urlacher_bio.html. - David Oberst 04:58, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh? I made sure to paraphrase most of the article. Sorry, but I re-wrote this article during the period of my life where I would only get three hours of sleep a day. ;-) Are there any parts in particular that stick out? I'll gladly fix them. --ShadowJester07 05:06, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

To avoid copyvio problems, one should take the basic facts, but provide one's own selection, arrangment, ordering, and writing. What you seem to have done is taken certain of the paragraphs from the jockbio site, and merely replaced some words with synonyms, reordered some clauses, etc. I came across the jockbio site by accident, but it was immediately obvious that it was the direct source of much of this article's text. There are probably a number of admins or editors who deal with copyright issues on a regular basis, and I'll see I can track one down for a consult. My suspicion is that a fair amount of work will be needed so that the jockbio people won't have a legitimate cause for complaint. - David Oberst 05:26, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Alright, Thanks for your helpful advice :) On Second thought, I think I maybe be able to rework portions of the article which were *ahem* "borroweed" from the JockBio Website. --ShadowJester07 05:29, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I was just going to slap the copyvio tag on this, but if you want to try rewriting it I'll hold off and check back after the weekend. Doing your own writing will also help avoid some of the unintentional humour your paraphrasing introduced - I was particularly amused by the implication that his high school training was the cause of his growing five inches, or the mental image generated when I am told that UNM "fell before" the Wildcats! - David Oberst 05:58, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removal

Removed "Many NFL icons such as Tom Brady, and Jeff Garcia have admitted to being intimidated by Brian" as the link provided (http://www.jockbio.com/Bios/Urlacher/Urlacher_mysay.html) said nothing of the sort. Thedoorhinge 02:56, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Opps, It's under the "They Say" section --ShadowJester07 03:29, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
"You watch him play and he’s all over the place.” —Patriots quarterback Tom Brady... that means he's intimidated? give me a break. Removed it again. Thedoorhinge 03:34, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Previous position ?

In his college years it says he was converted to LB, but does not say where he played before.

His original position, Safety. ;) The same position he played during his early years of school. --ShadowJester07 15:47, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

He played cornerback, widereceiver, and returner in high school. I can't sorce that but I saw it because he played in are divition(Tucumcari). Just some info. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.31.103.10 (talk) 11:51, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pro Bowls

Urlacher is a four time Pro Bowler, not a five time Pro Bowler. Although his Bears bio calls him a "five time Pro Bowl selection," that is misleading, as it counts 2004, when he was named a first alternate for the Pro Bowl, he wasn't actually named to the team. He's only actually been selected to four Pro Bowls (2001, 2002, 2003, and 2005). See:2005 Pro Bowl (which is the Pro Bowl played following the 2004 season in question).-PassionoftheDamon 01:38, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA on hold

Hi, I just read over the article and gave it an evaluation according to WP:WIAGA . In general, it is a nice article, and definitely in GA range, but still has room for improvement.

  1. Well written - Pass.
  2. Verifiable - FAIL. "Early life" and "college career" are quite under-referenced; 1 ref pro paragraph is near-mandatory. Also the "professional career" part could verified better. Also, he is an athlete, so putting in some remarkable stats (especially regular-season stats, not just single games) seems more than appropriate. Why is he a 4/5-time Pro Bowler and NFL Defensive Player of the Year? What is his role in the "smothering Bears defense"? Is he one cog in the machine, or the leader? Tell us! :) In general, these sections should look just like "personal life", which is the one section which is really bullet-proof referenced.
  3. Broad - Pass. Great athlete, great role model, video game icon.
  4. NPOV - Neutral. "Monster of the Gridiron"? Has someone remarkable said that? I am not an NFL follower.
  5. Stable - Pass. See history of this article.
  6. Images - FAIL. Unfortunately, the NFL video game pic lacks a fair use rationale for Brian Urlacher, it only states it is used to show the game in question, NFL 2K3. Please add these lines.

Looking forward to your wiki-ing, —Onomatopoeia 14:59, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I've added some more references which should verify and support Urlacher's professional and college career. It has been kind of difficult, but I've included some statistics which should distinguish Urlacher as one of the Bears' statistical leaders. I Changed "Monsters of the Gridiron" to "Monsters of the Midway", which is a nickname for Bears' greats. The picture's fair use rationale has also been fixed. :) --ShadowJester07 00:49, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
It's close now. For the "Early life" and "College career", I noticed that nice jockbio link [1], which basically covers everything. Just put it in as a reference multiple times, thus sourcing he was parent of X and Y, his mother had a hard life with multiple jobs, he was a receiver / safety, he struggled initially under Franchione and thrived under Long etc. That jockbio link then should appear as "jockbio.com a b c d e f g h" or such, thus providing rock-solid reference for these parts. If you do that, I'll award the GA. —Onomatopoeia 08:52, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
I added the Multi References, which cover Urlacher's Early Life, and College career at under Franchione. I hope it's better now --ShadowJester07 23:25, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA passed

After repairing your good multiple-referencing job, I have decided to pass this article. Congratulations!

  1. Well written - pass. I am defititely more interested in Urlacher.
  2. Verifiable - pass. Now very securely referenced.
  3. Broad - Pass. See above.
  4. NPOV - so-so pass. Still not entirely comfy with "monsters", but that's just me I guess.
  5. Stable - Pass.
  6. Images - Pass. Image now well added under fair use.
  7. Misc - yes, I changed the article myself, but only to fix a well-meant, but not perfectly executed referencing job (ref names must not be seperated by blank spaces)

Keep up the good job. If you want to promote it as an FA though (featured article), be sure to get a peer review first, this will weed out many little errors. But as of now, have fun with that green cross. —Onomatopoeia 21:24, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your advice, help, time. :) --ShadowJester07 23:39, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Humble Mentality

Various Sources have claimed Urlacher to be Humble:

Sorry, but just because a friend in an interview or two referred to Urlacher as being "humble" doesn't change the fact that it's a speculative, subjective characterization--not a fact--that has no more place in an encyclopedic article than a sentence declaring Picasso as the greatest painter ever. It's the same reason why, say, the opening paragraph doesn't describe Urlacher as "overrated" just because he was so voted by his peers. Not to mention you failed to show any causal connection between Urlacher's alleged "humble mentality" and his supposed "iconic" status. It's a purely hyperbolic statement that cannot stand.-PassionoftheDamon 22:21, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Ah, All righty then. Thanks for taking the time to explain your rationale :) --ShadowJester07 22:39, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
No problem. I should also note that there would be no objection if somewhere within the body of the article you wanted to include a statement along the lines of, "Urlacher is known among friends and teammates for his humble/down-to-earth personality" since the sources you provided above do provide some anecdotal support for the proposition that he is perceived that way by friends and teammates. It's the difference between saying Urlacher is in fact humble (speculative) and saying that he is perceived as humble by a specific group of people (verifiable). Hope that helps!-PassionoftheDamon 20:40, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Images

I hate to be a jackass (do this on a lot of articles) but I don't think two of those images fit the fair-use criteria. The first one, it said "for identification and critical commentary on the station ID or program and its contents". But the article never mentioned its program he appeared him. So the picture is representing Urlacher, which could be replaced by a free image easy enough (games, autograph signings, publicity events). Then the other picture toward the bottom had Urlacher on a magazine, but the magazine or the magazine issue was never discussed. Again, this is being used to represent Urlacher which can be done by a free image so it fails fair use criterias. Also, I added a reference to his interception at the Jets game so it looks like I added to a bit of the article.++aviper2k7++ 05:31, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

No Problem. Sorry for the Copy Vio Issues, It's kind of ironic since I myself also tag and remove several copy vio images very day :p --  ShadowJester07  ►Talk  06:06, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

What was up with all the references to strippers? I don't get it.

The word stripper is only used once. I'm guess you may be looking at an older revision --  ShadowJester07  ►Talk  20:46, 19 January 2007 (UTC)