Talk:Brian Sherwin

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[edit] More sources

More sources have been added to the article and the refs have been cleaned up to look better presentation wise. Does anyone have thoughts on how to improve it further? (Roodhouse1 (talk) 04:40, 9 May 2008 (UTC))

Some info on his Juxtapoz contributions. Are they essays, critiques or interviews etc? Ty 23:31, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I found his interviews on the Juxtapoz site and there was a video interview with Anthony Lister as well. I'll go hunt the links down again. Ty, do you think Sherwin could be considered a militant critic for supporting movements like Stuckism and Defastenism? (Roodhouse1 (talk) 00:52, 10 May 2008 (UTC))

I should reword that. I don't think Sherwin has openly supported Stuckism or Defastenism. He simply gave them a platform to speak from as he has done with other artists. He seems to be a very neutral person with a wide range of acceptance. I'm sure he has his motives though. (Roodhouse1 (talk) 03:03, 13 May 2008 (UTC))
If a ref says he's a militant critic, then it can be said. If not, it can't, as it would be original research. Ty 01:33, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Here are some links from Juxtapoz. These topics are all picked by the editors of the site who are also editors of the magazine. Juxtapoz has a decent Alexa ranking and an insane following online.

http://www.juxtapoz.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=1891

http://www.juxtapoz.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1581&Itemid=50

http://www.juxtapoz.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1476&Itemid=62

http://www.juxtapoz.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1118&Itemid=50

http://www.juxtapoz.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2956&Itemid=50

(Roodhouse1 (talk) 00:57, 10 May 2008 (UTC))

Video interview with Anthony Lister http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQBFzh9qsvI (Roodhouse1 (talk) 01:02, 10 May 2008 (UTC))

Re. video and Juxtapoz ref: it mentions myartspace, but not sherwin, so not relevant. Ty 01:31, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

If info is in a ref, then make use of it, as I've done here.[1] Ty 01:26, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Preview: Xiaoqing Ding & Jason D'Aquino http://www.juxtapoz.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1476&Itemid=62

Should the above be added because "recently interviewed on myartspace" would mean the interview he (or is it she?) had with Sherwin.

Also, the Lister video interview mentioned on Juxtapoz links back to myartspace, but as we know all of the interviews and videos can be found at myartspace.com/interviews. Is that something that should be included in external links?

And I just noticed that the Silvey info does not work because the myartspace link is simply to his myartspace account. However, I did see him on the list of interviewed artists. It does not work for a ref though.

What about CVs and resumes for artists of note that can be found online? Aleksandra Mir for example? Should the mention of Sherwin in her biblio be considered a ref to show his importance as an interviewer? (Roodhouse1 (talk) 02:05, 10 May 2008 (UTC))

If Sherwin is mentioned in X's biblio, then where X is in the list of interviewees, put a ref next to X's name which would be the page on X's site where the mention of Sherwin occurs. This is a good way to assert notability - the fact that noted artists consider it worthwhile to include his interviews in their biblios. Ty 03:02, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Added a link showing Sherwin on Aleksandra Mir's resume. Mir has been mentioned in several top art magazines, the New York Times, and has shown at the Tate, Saatchi's, and the Mary Boone Gallery as well as other important venues. Trying to track down other resumes and more information on Sherwin. I'm mostly doing Yahoo and Google searches. (Roodhouse1 (talk) 19:56, 11 May 2008 (UTC))

[edit] conflict of interest assumption

Concerning the conflict of interest claim. I would like to point out that the Sherwin article was nominated for deletion on the 6th of May and the result was keep. The article is extremely neutral in tone and several people have made changes to it in good faith. As for ELNO, it states the following "Links to blogs and personal web pages, except those written by a recognized authority". According to the consensus of the deletion vote Sherwin is notable and in that case a recognized authority on art due to his interviews and exhibit reviews. So I don't see why links to the Myartspace Blog would be blocked. If you feel that the external links on artist bios going to the interview they had with Sherwin is not needed feel free to remove them. They had been removed before by an anonymous person without a reason as to their removal. Edward Winkleman and Tyler Greene are both art bloggers as well that are respected and notable so I wonder if I will have the same problems once I contribute those bios? I learned really quick from my first experience that it is best to have everything worked out before contributing. I'm still very new to this so your suggestions are appreciated. (Roodhouse1 (talk) 01:59, 19 May 2008 (UTC))

I don't see any major problem with the article, and nothing has, as yet, been posted here to indicate any extant problems. Ty 04:43, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
The area that looks a bit iffy to me is when it gets into describing other artists' achievements and qualifications in a kind of notability-by-association way (the three paragraphs starting at "The work of several of these artists ..."). Gordonofcartoon (talk) 05:04, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Yep, that can go. It arose out of the AfD discussion, and was a slight misunderstood conflation of the need to show notability and provide sources, i.e. Roodouse1 thought he was following advice by inserting it. Ty 05:18, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
As I recall I was advised by an admin to add that. But I think the mention of specific artists of note that Sherwin has interviewed and the link to the cv inclusion above that is enough to support the bio without that other info. I'm all for it.(Roodhouse1 (talk) 05:24, 19 May 2008 (UTC))
If artists have mentioned the Sherwin interview in their biblio that might be worth using as a ref (or an additional ref). Ty 05:30, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
I've deleted the first para. I think the second is valid, as Juxtapoz talks specifically about his interview. I'm posting the third para below, as ref doesn't mention Sherwin. If there is a ref that says he co-curated it, then that part can go back. I think the info about the judges would then be valid, as it is informative about his work and who he is collaborating with on projects. Ty 05:28, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Could this be used? Did some searches and found this http://www.stuckism.com/Sherwin.html I also found an article of controversy involving Sherwin but it was on a profile of some artist upset with him so I don't think that would be considered reliable would it?(Roodhouse1 (talk) 05:47, 19 May 2008 (UTC))
It seems like a useful third party source. What is the URL of the controversial one? Ty 09:24, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Para cut from article as stated above

In 2007, Sherwin co-curated the opening of the Myartspace New York, New York 2007 exhibit at the McCormack Gallery in Chelsea. An accompanying art competition was judged by Jessica Morgan, curator of contemporary art at the Tate Modern, James Rondeau, curator of contemporary art at the Art Institute of Chicago and Steven Zevitas, Publisher and Editor of New American Paintings.[1]

I'll see what I can find. I know there is a video of the opening on youtube. Different wording might help.(Roodhouse1 (talk) 05:38, 19 May 2008 (UTC))