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[edit] Brian's Age

From the episode Brian in Love: "Okay, so maybe this isn't where I thought I'd be at seven years old". This is the fourth episode in the second season.--Emozilla 01:26, May 22, 2005 (UTC)

  • Yeah, he's 7, or 49 in dog years. -- Mathematician 04:20, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

How old is Brian? A HHGTG fan told me 42, but didn't want to say if that was dog years. In Earth years it would make him the same age as his best friend, and old enough to have met Andy Warhol and starred in one of his films (the Christobel episode). But it contradicts two episodes in which Brian has shrink appointments ("Brian in Love" and "Rhode to Road Island"). Cromulent Kwyjibo 17:55, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

A HHGTG fan told me 42

Perhaps "What age is Brian" is the Ultimate Question to Life, The Universe, and Everything.

--62.252.128.25 16:14, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The funny thing is the article says he's 7 immediately after saying he was hangin' out with Andy Warhol in the 1970s. Obviously those two statements are contradictory. - furrykef (Talk at me) 02:49, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dog years

Despite the uncanonical flashbacks about Brian's past, the age of seven is the most valid human age for him. In his template-box, there is no reason to mention his age "according to the myth" of dog years being seven-per-one human year, when the ratio is 10½ dog years per human year for the first two years, then four dog years per human year for each year after. Presenting Brian's mythical age is presenting incorrect information. According to this online calculator, Brian's age would be between 41–44 human years, given Brian's age being between 7.00–7.99 dog years. So, for the template-box and the rest of the article to mention his age as 49 dog years is adding to the fallacy of the "myth" about dog years, and it should be changed in this article so that it presents the most accurate information. —№tǒŖïøŭş4lĭfė ♫♪

I'm with the movement to just remove the dog years completely. It seems like 60% of the edits on this page are just adding and subtracting dog years. Snowfire51 04:38, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm probably the one who removes "Dog years" the most often. It's a fake factoid. Even the more sophisticated "dog years" calculation Notorious4life performs above is original research when used in this article.
Nitpickers trying to reconcile flashbacks of Brian in the 60s should consider the floating timeline article and this show's oft-demonstrated willingness to break continuity.
Can we agree to leave "dog years" out? / edg ☺ ★ 04:50, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
The dog year age for Brian would most like be original research, because it has never been established by the producers of the show or ever mentioned in an episode. Despite my really old comment above, I would have to agree that mentioning dog years is useless for this article. His age is always depicted as seven. Nowhere has there ever been a reference to him being 49 years old on the show. The only reason it would be mentioned is if, say, a dog was reading the article on Brian Griffin. To keep things short, simple, and as accurate as possible, let's just leave it out. —№tǒŖïøŭş4lĭfė ♫♪ 11:01, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] change made

I have moved an excerpt from the 'background' section to the initial section. The information on Brian's likings for opera and drama are not part of his hisory, but rather part of his personality which the first section describes.

Brian revealed, after Chris asked him the last time he's been with a woman in the episode "You May Now kiss the...Uh...Guy Who Recieves", that it was two years before the Challenger exploded, making him well over 20 human years, meaning that he's at least 140 dogs years old.

[edit] Removing Section of Original Research

The section "Canine as a Study in Humanity" is seemingly composed of entirely original research. There is not one citation to document any of the analysis. Until it can be sourced to a reputable source, it should not be part of the article. --Impaciente 18:04, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ringworm

Later on, Brian worked for Stewie's pyramid scheme company "Cashscam" as a telemarketer to make the $300 that would pay for his ringworm medicine ("Model Misbehavior")

Brian had internal parasites. Ringworm is a skin condition caused by fungus. PrometheusX303 12:21, 9 June 2006 (UTC)


Yeah....no it isn't. They had it right.

What? PrometheusX303 12:13, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

ringworm IS a fungal skin infection in dogs...not internal 'worms'.

[edit] Racist?

An anonymous editor keeps trying to add Brian Griffin to the category fictional racists. From what I have seen and read, Brian is not racist. I will once again remove the category. If you wish to make a case as to why he should be labeled "racist", please do so here before you add it back. PrometheusX303 13:20, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Brian seems aware of his own racism - his actions in Don't Make Me Over show that much. While in that episode, he seems to be trying to either deny or overcome his beliefs, he still refused to give Cleveland a ride on basis of skin color. Therefore, Brian would be qualified as racist, which is a joke at the expense of his intense liberal belief. Rebochan 20:33, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
I admit that I haven't seen the newest episodes, but I never saw any indication of racism in the first seasons. He seemed fine around Cleveland and Loretta, the judge, and various other black and hispanic characters.
He dated Shauna Parks, and although he went overboard to show her he was not racist, it could be attributed to his liking her and not wanting to offende her.
His "refusal" to pick up Cleveland in his cab wasn't clearly based on race. Yes, they played on a stereotype, but they made it seem that Brian simply decided to get the milk while he was out. Maybe he has done this in later episodes too, though.
His barking at Dr. Diddy is something he attributes to breeding, not personal beliefs. Being a dog, his excuse hold some merit.

There is no way in hell that he is a racist. When he was a pup, his dad acted racist around him, and his subconcise (sorry about the spelling) thought that that's how he was suposed to act. When he grew-up, he learned not to do that, but it's still in his subconsice and it leaks out every once in a while. The same thing happens to Lois with her Pewterschmidt up-bringing. In "The Perfect Castaway", Lois says to the weeping Chris at Peter's funeral, "I know honey, I'm sad to, but come-down, you're making a scean, all our friends are here," (sounds like somthing her dad would say, huh) and in "Jungle Love", after Chris says "This is my wife Loca. We're mairred", Lois responds by saying, "Well, maybe here, but not in America where God pays atention." I belive the only differince is that Brian is 100% aware of his problem and is trying despretly to change it, while Lois has no clue of her little problem (although she has comsideritly more conroil over it). As Stewie would say, "Well, that was my arguement, where's your's."--BrianGriffin-FG 20:13, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

See Don't Make Me Over (Family Guy), he does act racist toward a black man. Also see Road to Rhode Island, he wasn't raised by his parents.

Since Brian is aware of this problem and feels bad for it, I'm not sure he really is a racist. Family guy certainly does not have excellent continuity, so in some episodes, he is a racist and on other episodes, he is not. Although I originally suspected Brian not picking up Cleveland as a taxi driver was a racist deed, but it might have just been a coincidence. We could just say he's a Pavlov's dog (albeit with human qualities). By the way, the article mentions "again citing his father," although that was the first and only time the article mentions Brain "citing his father." Minor technical thing, but someone should change it (not me though, I'm too lazy, haha). --Armaetin 08:53, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Brian's racism has been demonstrated two or three episodes, so I think this is established as a character trait. The humor here is that Brian is embarrassed by his racism. (I opined on this more lengthily on BrianGriffin-FG's user page.) / edg ☺ ★ 11:31, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Stewie Griffin conservative?

Just as in the Stewie Griffin article this article suggests that Stewie is conservative or a Republican just because he supports a flat tax. As I have said in the other talk page, it takes more than supporting a flat tax rate to be considered conservative. Brian has continually shown his liberalism yet Stewie has only shown conservatism once. I don't think its significant enough to suggest any political leanings from Stewie and should be deleted.--Gdo01 17:43, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

  • I agree completely to what you have said (although I am a bit confused to why we are mentioning Stewie's political leanings on an article about Brain). The article on Stewie gives the more correct political preference: totalitarian. --Armaetin 08:53, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Brian an Atheist

I have added Brian Griffin to Category:Fictional atheists based on his remarks from The Father, the Son, and the Holy Fonz. The religious beliefs section in this article smells of original research, and if i'm not mistaken, in the episode brian says there is no difference between God and a fairytale. --Philo 10:51, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

I was watching a Family Guy dvd today and in an episode Brian commented that God was "pissed" with Peter and there was also a frame showing him reading the Bible, so due to the ambiguous nature of his beliefs I believe that the fictional Atheists category should be removed until there is more evidence. --Baronjim 20:14, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

it mentions it in the brian griffin book. according to the book then he is an atheist. user:Adam chase

[edit] Brian's Death

This should be removed because in the film Stewie goes back in time to stop the life-guard chair from falling on him (which would make the future different).

It's an alternate timeline. Star Trek has not completely addressed the issue of timeline coexistence and Family Guy not at all. Cromulent Kwyjibo 20:33, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
The alternate timeline doesn't exist because the events leading to the future have changed, so therefore the text should be removed. If there isn't any concrete proof that future hasn't been changed, I'm going to remove the text--Baronjim 20:48, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Quotes section

Time for a trim, I think. Prometheus-X303- 13:52, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] italics

italics for episode names? uh, no. BonniePrinceCharlie 21:32, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Similarities between Seth MacFarlane and Brian

Should it be noted that Seth's speaking voice is the exact same as Brian's, and that they both are fans of the same things (opera, jazz, etc.)? 70.140.234.206 02:00, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

If true. To my ears MacFarlane makes his voice rounder (more resonant maybe?) when he does Brian. / edgarde 03:42, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
That's what I think! If you watch 'Boys Do Cry, at the beggining, and listen to the elephant on Now It’s Just Getting Sad (the
Julia Louis-Dreyfus show there watching) Seth MacFarlane uses his own speaking voice for the elephant. Then listen to Brian a moment later (their lines are literaly on right after the other). Do ya' hear a small diffrence?--BrianGriffin-FG 17:33, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Brians book

I have a copy of a special family guy book called "brian Griffin's guide to booze, broads and the lost at of being a man" writen by Andrew goldberg. is this published in the states? it isn't mentioned in the article and the price on the back is only in sterling which is quite unusual especialy for a book about an american telivision programe. user:Adam chase

Yes it is available in the 'States. A quick google search will provide several outlets to purchase it. The ISBN number is ISBN 0060899204. Cheers. L0b0t 19:04, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Love Interests

Should Stewie's seeming attraction to Brian be mentioned?

I think that it should be (and is) mentioned in the Stewie artical, but not in the in the Brian artical.--BrianGriffin-FG 19:50, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The MySpace Talkshow

Shouldn't we include, if not a full section, a mention of that new "Late Night with Brian & Stewie" show that they're showing on MySpace? I would do it, but I haven't seen it. I heard about it on a commercial on FOX with Seth McFarline (I know I'm going to get heat for that)--BrianGriffin-FG 18:47, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Brian speaking Tagalog

On what episode did Brian speak Tagalog? Maybe his cousin Jasper can but I'm not sure if he does. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 170.65.128.6 (talk) 02:06, 6 May 2007 (UTC).

  • According to this, Stewie conversed in Tagalog. Hans404 02:12, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] anthropomorphic

Is the word anthropomorphic ever used in the show?

It does not need to be. 'Anthropomorphic' is a term attributed to fictional animal characters who posess human qualities, such as speech, human intelligence, the ability to walk on two legs etc. If your wondering if it can be used in the artical, then most emphaticaly yes.

[edit] The Helpers

HEY! ARE YOU A FAN OF Family Guy! DO YOU WANNA GET ALL THERE DVDs! DO YOU WANNA SLEEP WITH MEG! IF YOUR ANSWERES ARE YES YES YES, than why, she's ugly. IF YOUR ANSWERES ARE YES YES NO, THAN JOIN THE FAMILY GUY HEPERS! JOIN NOW! JOIN NOW! JOIN NOW!--BrianGriffin-FG 18:36, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

At least one of the Family Guy writers likes her. Remember in "Brian Goes Back to College" when Stewie runs up the stairs to see what Meg is doing? In the commentary, he asks if anyone else was aroused by seeing Meg in her underwear. Seth says to him "You're the only one." Cromulent Kwyjibo 22:34, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Could I Change This Please?

On the "Relationships" section, I have noticed something. In the contents box it says "Romances", but then it goes on to say, "With Meg and Chris", "With Lois", "With Peter", "With Stewie". Now, forgive me for this, but someone very crude and lobrow could be misinformed by this and take it to mean Brian has had "romances" with Meg, Chris, Lois, Peter and Stewie! So can I just change the order of this, please? 172.213.139.148 19:44, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

It's fine as it is now, because the title of the section (Relationships) lets you know that he has built a friendship, a type of relationship, with both Meg and Chris. The "Romances" is a subsection of "Relationships", as is "Meg and Chris", because a romance is also a kind of relationship. Edward (talk) 02:41, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Religion

I removed the Religion section. Casual references notwithstanding, religion doesn't appear to be a notable part of Brian's character, and the section seems to be just a place to hang anecdotes and perform WP:OR speculation. The interpretations were conflicting, inconclusive and unsourced.

It might be worth exploring Family Guy's treatment of religion in another article, but not in the form of unsourced speculation. / edg ☺ ★ 22:47, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

There's a bit of an edit war on this section. I favor keeping this section out, since it is WP:OR speculation. If someone keeps restoring this, we could request semi-protection, since the editors doing this are both anons. / edg ☺ ☭ 17:05, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Viloria

In what episode is it revealed Brian's middle name is Viloria? Does this appear canonical? / edg ☺ ★ 23:36, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

As far as i know, the only canonical middle names are Chris (Cross), Peter (Löwenbräu), and Stewie (Gilligan). --Gen. S.T. Shrink *Get to the bunker* 00:23, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Move?

I'm thinking about moving this page to "Brian (Family Guy)". Has the name "Brian Griffin" ever appeared in the series? Typically, family dogs don't have last names. When Timmy was Lassie's master, was her name "Lassie Martin"? I'll leave this issue open for more discussion before moving the page. szyslak 21:18, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

yes but most people know him as brian grffin since he is anthropomorphic he is condsidered more as part of the family than a regular dog, besides since people mostly know him as brian griffin (to distinguish him from other brians)itll be easier for people to find the article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.168.230.18 (talk) 22:50, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Brian's Father

According to Brian, "Mr. Griffin is my father's name." Chris, however, says that he thought Brian's father was named Cocoa and was hit by a dump-truck. This should probably be addressed in the article. 71.255.193.128 (talk) 04:38, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

I believe Brian said the line about "Mr. Griffin" when he was a substitute teacher, and it was meant in an ironic fashion. He wanted the students to call him "Brian." Snowfire51 (talk) 04:53, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Todd?

When was it mentioned that there was another dog?

I don't remember the episode name, but Peter mentioned they had another dog before Brian. He looked similar but very, very old. Peter had him on a leash and was talking about taking him to the park, but the dog was convinced that they were going to the vet because of the concern for his sphincter closing speed or something like that. Peter persists with the park story and the old dog says something along the lines of "Oh well then, I'll enjoy the ride." 67.163.173.8 (talk) 04:35, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Breed

Even though Brian doesn't need to look like a real dog, can anyone tell what breed he is?Sposato (talk) 00:36, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

It has not been stated in the show. I recall his mother looking like a different breed, but that may simply be the show's convention of drawing non-anthropomorphic dogs more realistically. For what it's worth, Brian looks like Snoopy, who is said to be a beagle. None of this speculation can be used in the article. / edg ☺ ☭ 04:31, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] What episode was it?

What episode was it where Stewie and Brian went into the military? There's something I want to add to the article, but I need the name of that episode to add it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dstebbins (talk • contribs) 00:39, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Saving Private Brian.--MrFishGo Fish 19:14, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Why did someone delete what I put in? It was true and everything. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dstebbins (talk • contribs) 20:47, 10 March 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Marriage to Lois?

In the episode Perfect Castaway Brian marries Lois while Peter is away is this relevent information for the info box as his ex-wife? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.226.221.176 (talk) 06:07, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Not for the infobox. It should be mentioned in the article, but since that was such a case of a major upset of the story's status quo and a restoration of it in a single episode, it is not relevant for the infobox: the marriage of convenience was not consummated and it didn't take much to convince Brian to release Lois from her obligation to him when Peter came back. Brian hardly thinks of Lois as his ex-wife. Contrast Gibbs from NCIS. Cromulent Kwyjibo (talk) 12:39, 21 March 2008 (UTC) P.S. It's nice to see an anonymous user with the sense to ask questions first.

[edit] In-universe, original research, plot recap, and such

Manual of style (writing about fiction) speaks to much of what is wrong with this article. Lots of episode recap is used to make just a few points, and in some cases original research or synthesis is a problem. I've tagged some parts {{Or}} that should be reconsidered and either removed or rewritten. I also noted a few other points of concern in editors comments.

This article is certainly much-improved over how it looked a year or two ago. One detail I'm not sure about is whether Lois and Brian were actually described as married in "Perfect Castaway"; if so, this wouldn't merit much mention outside the zoophilia section since it is basically depicted in passing as a plot device. / edg ☺ ☭ 18:00, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Having see Perfect Castaway recently, I can say for sure that Lois directly states that she's "married to Brian" in the episode. But yeah, it was mostly a device for that episode (though it does contribute to the continued infatuation Brian has for Lois). Dp76764 (talk) 18:07, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. I have untagged this. And yes it does fall under "ongoing frustration", good point. / edg ☺ ☭ 18:36, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

why keep putting original research notices? if you want a source get the DVDs.--Greenday21 (talk) 12:53, 10 June 2008 (UTC)Greenday21

[edit] Mongrel?

In Brian Portrait of a Dog he talks about not knowing where his papers are. This and the fact that Peter wants him to enter a dog show indicates he's purebred. 70.54.126.87 (talk) 17:56, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

He's also from a puppy farm, which also indicates some form of burebred status. Though considering the contents of those two episodes not making direct comment to that or his breed, I would assume it is deliberately left unspecified. --Human.v2.0 (talk) 18:18, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jillian's Necklace?

Am I the only one who notices that Jillian's necklace looks strickingly similar to Brian's collar?--BrianGriffin-FG (talk) 19:20, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Brain's Age, the Ender

In the episode The Former Life of Brian, Stewie asks about the age difference in Brian and his son. Brian responds to the effect of "if you don't like it, go argue about it on the internet." I can't help but think that's the Family Guy way of laughing at us trying to figure out how old Brian is in real life, when it's obviously not something the producers of the show care about. Redrocket (talk) 04:11, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Too much original research

This article is littered with original research, which is strictly against Wikipedia's rules. This article seriously needs cleaning. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.141.92.197 (talk) 03:38, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


origanaL RESEARCH? again, get the DVDs for your source.--Greenday21 (talk) 12:54, 10 June 2008 (UTC)Greenday21