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[edit] Frontpage.com

Nice job cleaning up things up guys. Thanks. I do think it comes of as kind of silly though, for this article, and the one about Joe Carr, for the first refernence to be to Frontpage. Regardless of whether or not you think it is a reliable source, at least 50% of the people who might find themselves wanting to look up an entry about these people think Frontpage is a bunch of bull. Some people would say David Horowitz has basically tried to declare war on academic freedom, with his book about the "most dangerous professors in America". Maybe you believe that stuff, but his brand of politics is extremely hostile - it's the kind of stuff that could lead to people's careers being put in jeapardy - and now, more than ever, the mere sight or mention of his website and magazine is enough to get many academic's (especially in the US) emotions riled up. I strongly suggest we not use Frontpage magazine as a primary source - especially not the very first source in the article.TroiS6 04:29, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm also not keen on relying exclusively on Frontpagemag, although we don't rely on it exclusively here because other sources agree with it, but you elsewhere argue that sources like Frontpagemag and Counterpunch are acceptable. SlimVirgin (talk) 04:35, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Where's the Photo of Avery?

There's no reason not to post his photo. It's freely available all over the web. [1] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 151.200.14.88 (talk) 12:49, 10 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] You guys can't be serious!

Zionist advocates are making this place a veritable laughing stock, or perhaps my concept of Wikipedia was too high in the first instance.

The article states "He was not charged for his treatment in Israel" and cites http://www.discoverthenetwork.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2089 as authority for that position. The website,, www.discoverthenetwork.org, is clearly a Zionist advocate website as indicated by the language referenced in that page: "Despite Avery's interference with military operations and his conscious decision to seek out the source of live gunfire, he was allowed to recover for two months in an Israeli hospital free of charge."

This same website pejoratively describes former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark as a "Totalitarian Radical," and such contemporary notables as Cindy Sheehan, Michael Moore, Noam Chomsky, and Jane Fonda as "Anti-American Radicals."

This is not objective research; it is biased propaganda with an agenda. The www.discoverthenetwork.org website is operated by [David Horowitz], which speaks for itself.

I know you think I am ranting and that I am biased myself, but seriously, with so much slanted "research" on here, I am seriously thinking about going somewhere more reliable for information. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 151.200.14.88 (talk) 22:31, 10 December 2006 (UTC).


[edit] Shot in the face?

So was Brian Avery shot in the face or wasn't he?. The article first states that he was hit by debris off the ground when Israeli defense forces shot at his feet well he was involved in some way with a rock trowing incident against Israeli soldiers. Then it goes on to state, according to himself that he was shot without provocation in the face with a machine gun. This is not the same as being hit with debris and frankly it seems quite a bit less likely. A machine gun, even a light machine gun, is an extremely deadly weapon. If it did hit him in the face he would probably have been killed, though of course it is possible that he was hit by a bullet in the face it would have had to hit him sideways or ricochet off something. Regardless it would have torn off something (his nose, jaw, torn away his cheekbone etc.) if a bullet hit him in the face. This is also true if he was incorrectly referring to an assault rifle as a machine gun. It just seems that finding out the truth regarding physical injuries shouldn't be that difficult. Of course finding out the truth about whether he was shot for no good reason or if he was attacking Israeli forces may well be impossible. But this article is confusing as regarding his injuries, finding out if he was shot for a good reason or not is debatable, but finding out if he was actually shot or just injured is not, its a fact and stating both things in the same article in confusing.Colin 8 05:46, 5 May 2007 (UTC)