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This is an archive. Please do not post here, but on my talk page. Thank you.

Contents 1 User Page 2 Pedantic Gripe 3 Too Stressed Out 4 Esperanza Box 5 Advisory Committee election deadline set 6 Reply 7 My Rfa 8 Thanks for your support 9 OwenX's RfA 10 Thank you for supporting my RfA 11 Thanks and Good Luck! 12 No problemo 13 Thanks, I'm Okay 14 Could u Block Someone 15 My Life 16 GFDL Chamber music 17 A question about one of your changes 18 blocking 19 Congrats on the WP:ESP Advisory Committee 20 Barnstar 21 Great news! 22 Advisory Committee 23 Congratulations 24 Thanks 25 RFA Thanks 26 Good to be back 27 FSF RFA 28 Esperanza Spam 29 Celestianpower is an admin 30 Skyring on User talk:Jtdirl 31 My RfA 32 HIllside Strangler merge 33 Can you help me? 34 the wub's RfA 35 Titoxd's RfA 36 Argh! Thank you. 37 Old Dominion University 38 So... 39 Esperanza Welcome 40 Halloween and Current Events 41 POPBot #2 42 Esperanza: A Spanish User's Complaint 43 Thanks 44 Esperanza program 45 Thanks! 46 Bogdanov Affair Blocking Action 47 Visitante 48 My comments to Private Butcher 49 My user page 50 IRC

[edit] User Page

I feel guilty typing onto your fresh, recently archived, talk page. But, just to say I have done exactly that, User/2 etc. It is truly a great idea. No point in Esperanza if nobody knows about it! So long Banes 09:23, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Pedantic Gripe

Please forgive the insufferable pompousness of this note; but I must just point out that your Esp.. template should say that instead of which, as far as I know. Lame, but true--Xiphon 14:52, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Too Stressed Out

Im probaly need a one week wiki vacition the problem Im just too hooked on it that it is taken alot of my other more useful time away. I need you to block me for five days so I make sure I calm down a bit and get some nerves back togeter and than lets see how it goes beacuse right now Im a wreck and one more day in this probaly means the end of me and being that im too hooked I probaly may lose control tommorrow . --JAranda | yeah 04:32, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Bratsche, I did it for you. My first block! Ooh, how exciting. --Maru (talk) 04:50, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Esperanza Box

Hey, that was a good idea you added to my user box. Thanks! Titoxd^(?!?) 17:16, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Advisory Committee election deadline set

Our new admin general, Essjay, has set the date for the advisory committee elections, that date being October 7th. By UTC it is October 5th right now. So see WP:ESP/E for voting in two days, and add yourself to the list if you're interested in running. On a personal note, I'm considering running, as I only resigned as admin general because of time. I'm sure I could help out on the advisory committee... Anywho, watchlist that page, and be sure to read the voting method too. Regards, Redwolf24 (talk) 01:07, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Reply

Umm, yea, I am anonymous. You can't trace my IP address much farther than that, so, you know *rolls eyes*.68.47.26.123 02:06, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Please do not revert what I have changed on my discussion page.68.47.26.123 02:15, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] My Rfa

Thanks! I'm still unsure if i'd be able to award myself an Admin Barn under the "unwritten rules" of Wikipedia. The others might find it to be arrogant or something ;-) Karmafist 03:49, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for your support

Thank you very much for your support on my nomination for adminship. Now that I have been made an admin, I will do my best to live up to the truest you and the community have placed in me. If you ever see my doing something you think is incorrect or questionable, or does not live up to the standards that should be expected of an admin, please let me know. DES ^(talk) 15:37, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] OwenX's RfA

Thank you for your support on my RfA. Your kind words are well appreciated. Owen× ☎ 22:24, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you for supporting my RfA

Dear Bratsche: Thank you very much for your support on my RfA. I am most honoured by the trust that has been placed in me by yourself and other members of the Wikipedia community. I would also like to thank you very much for your assistance and support throughout the Bogdanov Affair saga; your valiant efforts assisted in keeping the "forest fire" reasonably contained, and it is quite a challenge to emerge from the Bogdanov Affair case alive! I look forward to working with you on Wikipedia in the future, and conversing with you via IRC. Best regards, --NicholasTurnbull | (talk) (e-mail) (cabal) 04:24, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks and Good Luck!

I just wanted to thank you for your support on my RfA and to let you know that if anybody asks, you can be sure that i'll pass along that you're an awesome guy in regards to the Esperanza Election. Congrats on tying it up there, this is going to be an exciting finish! Karmafist 14:57, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] No problemo

Hey anytime. I think youre a great editor, (see bottom of my userpage, just finished as your message came in) and hope to work together more on Esperanza. I also appreciate the fact that you are the first candidate to send a thanks message. Cheers, see you Banes 18:24, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks, I'm Okay

Thanks for the message, everything's fine, what happened is explained on my Userpage. Private Butcher 18:39, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Could u Block Someone

68.149.127.105 had been vandalising pages including Hurricane Katrina and after I warned him he is writing nonsense pages. Could u give him a well deserve block. TY --JAranda | yeah 02:54, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

I think you deserve this for beating me in reverting to vandalise pages I hearby reward u the RickK anti vandalism award --JAranda | yeah 03:06, 11 October 2005 (UTC) First Barnstar I ever gave out also

Please follow guidelines and do not block dynamic addresses for more than 15 minutes. I've just had to unblock myself. jimfbleak 06:08, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] My Life

Yes, I would like you to remove the things about my personal life. I don't feel comfortable letting everyone know about my life anymore. Because anyone could find it, people I know, and just do things to me, so yes I would like it removed. Private Butcher 20:40, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

What you did was fine, you don't have to delete anymore, thanks for the help. Private Butcher 21:51, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] GFDL Chamber music

Let's imagine for a minute: 4 Wikipedians...two violinists, one violist, and one cellist. We record all the movements of Eine Kleine Nachtmusik, and stick the .ogg file into the article Mozart...do you see where I am headed here? --HappyCamper 01:22, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] A question about one of your changes

I'm new to wikipedia participation, so pardon any faux pas, please. The other night in a discussion forum elsewhere the same passage from wikipedia was quoted twice. As might be expected, they were different. The page in question related to determinants of feminine beauty and is a list of traits. I went investigating. What I found was that one list, dated prior to Aug 20 2005, differed from the post Aug 20 list and the changes made on Aug 20 were not supported by any notes or sources. The changes added "lighter complexion" and "smooth hairless skin" to the list. These changes certainly changed the nature of the information presented.

I looked further back and could not find any previous mention of those additions. So...I changed the text back to the pre Aug 20 text and left my reasons. Now I find that you have changed the text back to include the unsourced changes made on Aug 20. Rather than just change them back, I thought I'd ask you why you reverted the text back and what is the basis for the new information you are supporting. I cannot find the added language in the original, so what justifies it being added? Is there a new study or source I can review? Thanks. Hazarat 02:42, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to me. I will go through the "tasks" you listed and see if I can help. Hazarat 03:57, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

I went back to the "page in question" to see your changes, here they are:

"Symmetry of features: healthy

Large, widely spaced eyes: cute

Clear and somewhat lighter complexion: healthy

Contrasting colors and features: such..."

You did remove the "Hairless and smooth" part, but not the "and somewhat lighter" Here is the pre Aug 20, 2005 version:

"Symmetry of features: healthy

Large, widely spaced eyes: cute

Clear complexion: healthy

Contrasting colors and features:..."

Thanks, I'm sorry if I'm being a pest. I have not gotten the hang of the editing tool yet. My line spacing is not quite right. Hazarat 04:20, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] blocking

Thanks for geting back, I must have made a mistake since mine ia a 195 AOL address. It's no great problem, and at least this time I only had to remove one block! jimfbleak 05:24, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Congrats on the WP:ESP Advisory Committee

Congrats on making the Advisory Committee. I had followed some of your communications with other editors and figured you'd be right for this job. Have a great weekend. >: Roby Wayne ^{Talk • Hist • E@} 18:25, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes, congratulations Bratsche, good job, you deserved that place. (Are you a sock of Flcelloguy, you know, viola, cello:-) Enjoy your weekend! Banes 05:37, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

For all the work you have done. Molotov (talk) 21:36, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Great news!

C~O~N~G~R~A~T~U~L~A~T~I~O~N~S!
I'm delighted to see you elected to the Esperanza Advisory Committee!
-- Mamawrites ^{& listens} 11:13, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

I would also like to offer a heartfelt CONGRATS! - Pureblade | ^☼ 19:53, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Advisory Committee

Hey Bratsche! I just wanted to pop in to thank you for supporting me in the Advisory Committee Election. And also, congratulations! You made it too! I look forward to us working together along with the others to fulfill the mission of Esperanza. Take care. Acetic'^Acid 21:04, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your vote of confidence in the Esperanza elections. I look forward to helping Esperanza and Wikipedia progress. Also, congrats, Bratsche! I look forward to working with you to progress Esperanza and Wikipedia. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk | W_S 22:06, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Congratulations

Hello there Bratsche, I congratulate you on winning the vote in the Esperanza election. I'm sure you will do a fantastic job and looking forward to further good work. I wish you all the best... Gryffindor 22:06, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Hey, Bratsche, congratulations on being a part of Esperanza's Advisory Committee. While I didn't get enough votes to join you there (and you were the one who beat me for the last spot! Grr... :P), I know that you'll do a great job, so I'm not worried. Thanks for your show of confidence in me when you voted for me too. And did I say congratulations? :) Titoxd^(?!?) 22:47, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Hi Bratsche. First off, a belated thanks for fixing that Kate's tool link on my user page a while back, I only noticed it now (hence the wikithanks). However, I seem to have messed it up yet again, so if you could find time to explain what you did to fix it to an ignorant peasant he'd be very grateful--Xiphon 06:59, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] RFA Thanks

Thank you for your support on my RfA, and for the kind words. Both are sincerely appreciated. ≈ jossi fresco ≈ t • @ 15:12, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Good to be back

Thanks for the warm welcome back! I missed quite a lot (especially in WP:BAP!), but I hope to catch up with the vandal-whacking and welcoming of new users soon. Things have been hectic lately, and I don't think I'll be "back" until summer, but it's always nice to drop by. Take care, Sango123 (talk) 19:18, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

P.S. Congrats on being elected to the Esperanza Advisory Committee! :)

[edit] FSF RFA

Thanks for your support. freestylefrappe 22:16, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Esperanza Spam

Hello Esperanzians! A few announcements.

The Advisory Committee election results are in. In tranch A are Acetic Acid and Flcelloguy. In tranch B are Ryan Norton and Bratsche.

My other annoouncement is that our founder, JCarriker, has founded Esperanza's sister project, Wikipediology. I have written two essays here (my name is Matt Binder). My essays are under Teenage Wikipedians and Anon Editors.

On behalf of myself and Jay Carriker and the other wikipediologists, I would appreciate it if you were to join.

Cheers Esperanza! Redwolf24 (talk—How's my driving?) 23:28, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Celestianpower is an admin

Thank you very much for your support - my bid (as you probably know) went swimmingly. I couldn't have asked for a better one. Thank you very much and I just hope I don't mess up! Well done on getting on the assembly, too. Go you, go you... --Celestianpower ^hablamé 13:03, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Skyring on User talk:Jtdirl

Wow, he's desperate tonight. I see you've been reverting him along with Kiand. Any chance we could do a range block on those IP's? Bratsche^{talk | Esperanza} 23:54, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, still, it keeps him off the streets. Range blocks for long periods aren't viable, due to bigpond's IP allocation strategies it'd involve blocking off pretty much all of australia. --fvw* 23:55, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

(yawn). I see he's back, and pissed off now because all his edits under an IP, as per WP rules, were reverted. Poor dear. *sob*. Don't they have valium in Canberra? Or psychiatrists? lol FearÉIREANN\^{(caint) 00:27, 24 October 2005 (UTC)}

No wonder he's a laughing stock on WP and on the wikilist. He is like a tantrum-throwing two year old. Can we be sure he really is an adult? FearÉIREANN\^{(caint) 00:35, 24 October 2005 (UTC)}

[edit] My RfA

Hi Bratsche! Just wanted to thank you for supporting my RfA. I hope I will be able to live up to the confidence placed in me. --Cyberjunkie | Talk 04:32, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] HIllside Strangler merge

I'm just wondering why you felt my merger of the Hillside Strangler article into the Eisenhower Expressway article was vandalism. Thanks. StJarvitude 00:50, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Can you help me?

Could you please consider keeping an eye on this user 141.150.81.43 | Talk ? Only within the last 24 hours he has deliberately edited several pages, enlarging images and, therefore, deforming InfoBoxes. I think he may be just a dazzled newbie, I've warned him twice, but he's very close to become a vandal. I'd like an admin to watch him. Thanks! Lesfer 19:30, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] the wub's RfA

Thanks a lot for your support on my RfA, I really appreciate it. the wub "?!" 14:16, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Titoxd's RfA

Thank you for supporting me in my RfA. I never thought I would get so much support! Thanks to your help, my nomination was the 10th most supported RfA in Wikipedia history. Now, please keep an eye out on me while I learn the new tools, ok? Thanks again! Titoxd^(?!?) 20:56, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Argh! Thank you.

Thanks for removing my vote/comment from Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Stevertigo. In my boyish enthusiasm, I managed to miss the notice that it was closed. Sorry about that. :) --Ashenai (talk) (Galatea!) 21:40, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Old Dominion University

Hello Bratsche, thanks for your help. The vandalism has been much more sever than two incidents, however. I have records of 11 identical or nearly identical acts of vandalism on the page over two weeks. That's nearly every day! This doesn't include multiple instances of the vandalism before reverting. Here is my full list:

October 13th 70.184.168.138 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log)

[1]

[2]

October 13th User:Transit (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log)

[3]

[4]

October 15th User:Mrbowman (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log)

[5]

October 17th 70.184.168.138 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log)

[6]

October 21st 128.82.56.191 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log)

[7]

October 21st 128.82.56.191 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log)

[8]

October 22nd 128.82.253.49 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log)

[9]

October 22nd 209.166.4.194 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log)

[10]

October 25th 128.82.58.152 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log)

[11]

October 26th 137.155.184.50 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log)

[12]

October 27th 137.155.184.50 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log)

[13]

I believe this level of vandalism represents a serious threat to the integrity of the article, and would appreciate your help in the matter. TheChief (PowWow) 22:52, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

What should I do in a case like this, where it appears to be coming from multiple anonymous ip's? TheChief (PowWow) 18:08, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] So...

Thanks for the welcome. I am already thinking - did I really need to jump into a vote on a controversial RfA - I guess I just can't help it. I should stop reading the mailing lists posts of Anthere, Angela and Jimbo - I archive all of them except for those - and her post re an early end to the RfA - I just had to vote support :) Trödel|talk 11:35, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Esperanza Welcome

Thanks very much for the kind welcome to Esperanza =D I appreciate it. ♠PMC♠ 20:16, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Halloween and Current Events

I don't have an account so this is my only means of responding. I thought my current events message was VERY appropriate. It IS Halloween Eve and we DO get candy on Halloween.....so no non sense there, pal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.68.222.109 (talk • contribs) 22:55, October 30, 2005

Ok....I'll stop. I promise...I've had enough of being a delinquent on this site. I understand you work hard and it is unfair for you to clean up my comments a long with others. My apologies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.68.222.109 (talk • contribs) 23:12, October 30, 2005

[edit] POPBot #2

Fvw, you wrote above that your POPBlocker needs another admin to run/block. I might be interested in doing that, but my level of technical competence is very low. Could you possible give me more details about what the "job" entails — i.e. is it just mass-blocking a list of IPs, or editting through open proxies? Thanks. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk | W_S 15:14, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

I can help too in some way, doing non-technical grunt work, if this helps in cutting down excessive vandalism. Would I just be running a script, or actually writing one? Cheers, Bratsche^{talk | Esperanza} 18:32, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

[from email --fvw] I'm interested in taking it over, if you need someone. How can I help? --Linuxbeak

Thanks for your offers, what I can give you is

• A list of IPs that were open proxies during the last scan
• Shell scripts that block a list of IPs
• Shell one-liners to extract a plain list of IP:port's from some of the more popular open proxy lists
• Scripts to check whether an open proxy can edit wikipedia
• A script to extract a list of tor proxies that can edit wikipedia from the node directory (this one isn't my work, it's a slight edit of someone else's script)
• glue scripts

What you'd need is

• An admin account on wikipedia
• An account on a unix machine with perl, zsh, lynx and all the usual niceties
• A reasonable familiarity with shell scripting and how open proxies work (perl might be useful too)
• The ability to write shell oneliners to scrape the list of to-be-tested addresses from online proxy lists (the current ones won't stay active or current forever)
• The willingness to dig through it all; it works well, but it's just a bunch of clumped together shellscripts. You need to work out what you want to do in what order
• The time to handle complaints about blocks

I've put a tarball of the scripts and data (with the keys and edit tokens changed) at http://www.var.cx/wpproxycheck.tar.gz, I trust you'll be able to arrange things amongst yourselves. --fvw* 00:49, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Esperanza: A Spanish User's Complaint

Hi Bratsche,

thank you for your nice welcome mail to Esperanza. I seize the first opportunity to get back in touch with you with a request for help which someone sent to me (no idea where he got my name from, probably from Esperanza: es:Usuario:Visitante sent me lengthy mail in Spanish complaining about Censorship in the Spanish Wikipedia (there is, by the way, lots of things about censorship on his user page - seems to be a great concern for him), concretly, that some administrators keep deleting his edits, which he explains in great length. Finally, his Spanish Wikipedia IP has been blocked, and that's why he turned to me for help. But it seems to me he has turned to 10 other people too, using a number IP, user:80.58.2.170. I would just like your advice on this, it somehow looks like a revenge action against the Spanish admin who blocked him. I just wanted to inform you of this; I suppose I won't react to it in any special way. Thank you for your attention,

--Robin.rueth 16:47, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

For the welcome and birthday cake. I think I will like Esperanza. Glad I joined. Tahnks agian.--Dakota 20:35, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Esperanza program

Well, I still don't know very well who to help for the Coaching Aspiring Admins program, but my ideas are to get them more involved in the community (RFA, AFD, etc.) and to teach them about the "unwritten rules" of Wikipedia. Any suggestions? Titoxd^(?!?) 22:52, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

I know it's a tiny thing, but thanks for welcoming me to Esperanza.--Sean Black | Talk 04:00, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bogdanov Affair Blocking Action

Hi NicholasT: So, I know you're probably sick of this whole deal, but I noticed this on the new user log today:

• 23:23, November 1, 2005 User:IBogdanov (Created the user User:IBogdanov) [14]

The next action was to upload a picture of a few clowns over Image:PHOTOS IGOR GRICHKA.jpg, which I reverted a few times, since I was having a cache problem. I'm pretty sure this is either a sock or abusive username, so I blocked the account indefinitely under the ArbCom injunction. Would you like to review this block? You seem to be a chief enforcer of the affair, which we have so unfortunately fallen into. Thanks, Bratsche^{talk | Esperanza} 04:46, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Dear Bratsche: Thank you very much for letting me know; you were quite right to ban this user, I seem to recall I blocked another account that did exactly the same thing. I think it is most probably a sockpuppet one of the critics who is now blocked under the injunction or banned from the article, and thinks it is funny - it is interesting to note the way that User:Rbj called it to attention on the Bogdanov Affair talk page the first time it was done (a telling hint, but of course we must assume WP:AGF). By the way, I trust your judgement completely in this matter, and would like to thank you for your hard work in this area. Best regards. --NicholasTurnbull | (talk) (e-mail) (cabal) 05:00, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Visitante

He is a "polemic" user. Most of the user think he is troll. Anyway, some vandalic IP and user disturb sometime, and there are clues that he is behind this. For example we suspect he is es:Usuario:El Rei who do spam with a message about who much "evil" are we. Someone told me he confess but I´m not sure if it´s true or not.

I´m going talk to him, but I´m not sure what´s going to happen. He did a lot of things in the past, but don´t listen to user who don´t agree. I blocked him after a "vandalic" edition in elven mars (he exactly wrote [http://www.example.com link title] in the begining, change a correct word for other incorrect, and delete some information. He alse rewrote some text.

He think it´s because he didn´t agree in es:Leonor de Borbón y Ortiz in a discussion with other admin.

Anyway, if I´m mistaken, I have no problem to apologize, but, as I said, he likes to say how much "evil" we are. As I told to El Rei, and him, if he has any problem with neutral point of view in an artcle, or with any user, he can ask for help. I have no answer. He said, I was very bad, I blocked him because he didn´t agree in the article above. But I have no e-mail from him, no message... maybe because he had already the spam telling we are fanatic who block all the people that disagree (as you know, it´s false, only two days, ago another sysop and me discuss anout an historical sentence).

I´m afraid, he isn´t going to answer the e-mail I´m writting now.--es:User:FAR

every day, I´m more sure he is a troll and a vandal. He is a spammer (writes disturbing messages to user who are not interested, anly for give as bad image). After I have read again, all, I can say you he is wrong. He says, I blocked by one thing, I did it for other. Excuse my English

[edit] My comments to Private Butcher

My comments were made in jest, in the spirit of some of PB's own past comments. I don't think his comment about "using meth" should be taken literally, just like the one about having schizophrenia shouldn't. Private Butcher is obviously under a lot of stress, and I thought a light-hearted show of support would help. Anyway, I self-reverted, removing my comment from his page. Owen× ☎ 05:08, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] My user page

Thanks for reverting my pages. That's 6 times today. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 04:03, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

No I'm not really happy about the idea of protecting pages. I've been deleting his creations here so I guess he's just mad at me for a while. Thanks anyway. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 04:12, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] IRC

I joined the IRC but there was no answer... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tdxiang (talk • contribs) 23:43, November 3, 2005