Talk:Brazilian jazz
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It really needed expansion when it came and I agree still kind of does. I do have a couple of CDs of Brazilian jazz, but I don't think I'm competent enough to do a proper job. Also I think I might be placing Brazilian jazz too early. Bossa nova can kind of fit as it's called "samba jazz", but samba is probably too early. I think Saludos Amigos and Carmen Miranda were just samba. I might have to change that reference--T. Anthony 05:56, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
- Curiously Porrtuguese Wiki has little on jazz. Maybe the Brazilian woman I knew well biased me into thinking it's more popular there than it is. Anyway anyone in Category:User pt-N who knows jazz feel free to come on down! Same with Category:Wikipedians who listen to jazz or blues, although right now that's just me and a South African.--T. Anthony 06:48, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
- Jazz was never popular in Brazil. Even bossa nova was and is mainly music for the middle class. Macgreco 18:44, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Brazilian Jazz x Bossa Nova
It should be noted above all in the article that "Brazilian jazz" should be assigned to the music mostly played by americans in a Bossa Nova way, but with a stiffer beat.
Most brazilians don't hear "Brazilian Jazz"; they don't even know what "Brazilian Jazz" is. They do know what Bossa Nova is: the junction in the 60's of a new guitar beat invented by João Gilberto, fancy new harmonies by Tom Jobim and good mood and very poetic lyrics by Vinicius, which inspired a whole generation of musicians, in the Bossa Nova movement. The harmonies were as non-standard and sophisticated as in jazz at that time, but it is not a solid enough base to oversimplify and reduce this rich genre merely to "Brazilian Jazz". It is not a mere extension of the american jazz culture in Brazil, but it is national cultural movement of its own, deeply rooted in the historical and political moment in Brazil of that time.
The more jazzy thing came later, only when these musicians spent some time divulging Bossa Nova in USA, by the end of the 60's - which coincided with a turnover in the social and political scenario of the country, with the ascension of the military dictatorial government, which infringed, among other things, a considerable loss of artistic expression.
Neologisma 06:37, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Abandoning 'brazilian jazz' article.
I would like to propose redirecting this article to Bossa nova. While there is certainly a jazz scene in Brazil separate from bossa, it is not distinguished in any significant way from, say, the Canadian jazz scene. There is no, and should not be, a 'Canadian jazz' page. What the overwhelming majority of readers mean by saying 'brazilian jazz' is not 'jazz made in brazil', but 'bossa and its friends'.
I am posting here to see if I get any takers or staunch opponents. Otherwise, in a week or so, I'll redirect. --GPa Hill (talk) 19:41, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
It has not been a week. I don't necessarily disagree with the redirect, but we do have Category:Brazilian jazz and this article had an equivalent in Farsi Wikipedia. I think we should straighten things like this out first. I'm also uncertain if Chick Correa, or even Eliane Elias, are seen as doing Bossa nova.--T. Anthony (talk) 08:35, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
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- On second thought, hold on I'll try something.--T. Anthony (talk) 08:49, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
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- The music João Gilberto did with Stan Getz isn't really Bossa Nova, but more like a fusion of Pop, Jazz and Bossa Nova. A separate article for this style would be too much, I guess, so how about creating a sub-section in the bossa nova article about the Getz/Gilberto style and linking "Brazilian Jazz" to this sub-section?
RichLow (talk) 21:42, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
- The music João Gilberto did with Stan Getz isn't really Bossa Nova, but more like a fusion of Pop, Jazz and Bossa Nova. A separate article for this style would be too much, I guess, so how about creating a sub-section in the bossa nova article about the Getz/Gilberto style and linking "Brazilian Jazz" to this sub-section?
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- Feel free. Feel free to even revive the article if you wish.--T. Anthony (talk) 12:51, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
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