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Miscellany follows:

The consensus I've seen around US fans so far is that the "Yuusha" series is collectively referred to as the "Brave Series" (to set it apart from the Brave Saga games, as certain sources such as Anime News Network misattribute the series name as "Brave Saga" when it isn't). Yuusha will also work, though; it's really only a matter of semantics. A well-placed REDIRECT can solve any potential problems.

Various scattered designs within the Brave Series are, given evidence, actually remolds of Transformers toys. Many of the Geisters in Brave Exkaiser are said to be remolds of the original Dinobots, for instance. Most notably, Hiryu and Goryu from Brave Express Might Gaine are remolds of Sonic Bomber and Dai Atlas from Transformers: Zone, which is all but confirmed when the show itself refers to their original names as "Sonic" and "Atlas" (before Ace no Joe renames either of them, that is).

(Sources: 1 2)

The following information may need to be confirmed:

The Brave Series was primarily an agreement between Sunrise and Takara, forming a relationship similar to that of Takara and Toei Animation during the Transformers series through Victory.
Brave Crusade Baan Gaan was originally planned to be an actual show (as the show that would succeed Brave Command Dagwon, apparently). Plans for Baan Gaan were cancelled before production could begin, seemingly due to:

A new agreement between Takara and Toei that would lead to the production of Beast Wars II;
The (relatively) low ratings turnout of Brave Command Dagwon.

Sunrise began work on "GaGaGaChi" (soon to become The King of Braves GaoGaiGar) in its place shortly after this. This work was made with the knowledge that it'd be the last Brave entry; thus, it was more ambitious in nature.

Names of other original "series" found in the Brave Saga games:

Brave Knight Tarngold
Gunber and Zetter Gunber (Probably the same series? Unclear)

Also, speaking from experience, the "alien robot" dynamic does not appear to be present in Brave Express Might Gaine, as all of the intelligent robots in that show (insofar as the 75% of the show that I've watched) were designed and built by the Senpuuji Conzern. This human creation factor may be present in Brave Police J-Decker as well, though you may wish to confirm this firsthand.

Hope this may help! Keep up the good work. --E. Megas 10:08, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

For future editors: I've since learned that Brave Knight Tarngold is some kind of fan project which does not (and likely will never) appear in any Brave videogame, and thus is not valid at all. I don't know what Gunber and Zetter Gunber are. It seems like Baan Gaan and Rayzelvar/Rayserver are the only official-ish additional series as of this writing. --E. Megas 01:20, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

1 Baan Gaan
2 Raijin-Oh!
3 Requested move
- 3.1 Discussion

[edit] Baan Gaan

The subtitle Saint of Braves for Baan Gaan comes from the Kunio Okawara Brave Series Design Works book. I have no idea how official that makes it. Kouban 05:07, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Actually, that makes it the only known romanization of the name in existence. So that makes it uncontested. XD We'll use that one. --E. Megas 08:57, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Raijin-Oh!

Why is Raijin-Oh! considered a Brave? -Izaak

I don't believe it is, really. It's part of Eldran, a similar series and line of toys (composed of the series Zettai Muteki Raijin-Oh, Genki Bakuhatsu Ganbaruger and Nekketsu Saikyo Gosaurer) developed by Tomy, probably made to cash in on Brave Series popularity. This note may have made more sense if the Brave Saga series was made following the Takara/Tomy merger, but it doesn't seem to have been.

Raijin-Oh was indeed in Super Robot Wars GC, however...

Anyway: I am highly suspect of this claim, so I'm removing it for the time being until I have explicit material stating that Raijin-Oh was noted as being "honorary;" as it stands, saying that is like saying the Real Robot shows Galient and VOTOMS are "honorary Brave series" just because they're in the Brave Saga games (they're actually used to fill in the lineup a bit, it seems, since Takara owned the toy/game rights to them as well).

As a result, reverting. More data needed, please. --E. Megas 01:35, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

One theory (probably accurate) re: Galient and Votoms' inclusion in Brave Saga is that they were both directed by Ryousuke Takahashi, who also did Gaogaigar. Kouban 02:43, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Close. Takahashi produced GaoGaiGar, but directed VOTOMS and Galient. =)

His last directorial role (that I know of) was co-directing Gasaraki with future s-CRY-ed and Planetes director Goro Taniguchi. (It was a good show; why Gasaraki never went anywhere in popularity, I'm not certain. Probably due to the whole sad "everyone's like Eva" trend, or the fact that it was very complex and premeditated...) --E. Megas 03:39, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Update: Ryosuke Takahashi is directing FLAG, as seen on Bandai Channel. --E. Megas 18:56, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Update #2: He's also producing the Bakumatsu period show Bakumatsu Kikansetsu Irohanihoheto, and directing a new VOTOMS series to air in 2007. --E. Megas 21:28, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

Yūsha → Brave series — Official Sunrise sources seem to point to this being the official English name of this metaseries of shows (as opposed to the Japanese name--which is, in fact, "Yūsha"). E. Megas 21:28, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

Should it be Brave (series)? --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 00:13, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, the full name of the franchise/"metaseries" is explicitly called the "Brave series" by Sunrise. My reasoning is, as there are no other series that I know of named "Brave," it would probably do well to kill two birds with one stone and just call the article that.

Besides, you then have to ask the question "what kind of series?" At that point, you'd have to call the article "Brave (TV series)" or "Brave (media franchise)"—and that undermines the official name. I guess you'd also have the option of "Brave series (TV series)," though that's tremendously redundant; "Brave series (media franchise)" could also work, though that's a mouthful in itself.

I'd rather tend toward the simplest solution in this instance; the main article for the entire Gundam franchise, for example, is simply called Gundam. Taking simplicity and the above factors into account, calling the article Brave series seems the best solution—by my reckoning, anyway... --E. Megas 06:59, 9 November 2006 (UTC)