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pre-2007 discussions
April-December 2007, includes name discussion and GA review

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[edit] BRD

I proposed, relying on History of Bratislava, the following discreet addition: The present name of the city was adopted in 1919; it had been revived as its Slovak name, from earlier Slovak forms, by Pavel Jozef Šafárik in the 1830's.

What's wrong with it? The official name under the Habsburgs was Preßburg, although I do not think we need to make any more than this out of it. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 14:08, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Although I did not delete your sentence, I do not think it should be part of the lead. This information can be found (in more detail) right in the next paragraph. On the other hand, I am fine either way. Tankred (talk) 23:43, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Two paragraphs after, after the section break; which is why I didn't see it. Surely this is, like Brasilia, one of the more notable facts about the city; it is rare for such name changes to take. 18:59, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

The transcription of pronunciation should list both variants, with -ti- and -ci-. Jakub.marecek (talk) 09:19, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] infobox issue

Can someone fix the problem? Red lettering announces "Expansion depth exceeded" in my browser. Tony (talk) 11:46, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

There seems to be a problem with the "part_fold" field, which shows and hides the text/links. I've removed it. MarkBA what's up?/my mess 13:44, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Disputes

This page appears to be one in a large number of articles which are involved in disputes regarding Hungarian and Slovakian issues. A centralized page to discuss these matters has been setup at User talk:Elonka/Hungarian-Slovakian experiment. Please bring up any further disputes, or concerns about the editors involved in those disputes, at that page, thanks. --Elonka 23:05, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

I am reverting the change of date in Names section as there is no source documenting change given and there is ongoing discussion on Hungarian and Slovak geographical names at User talk:Elonka/Hungarian-Slovakian experiment#Names and this article is within its scope. Please, discuss changes of this kind before making them, you are welcome to join the discussion there. --Ruziklan (talk) 21:26, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bratislava as a part of the Hungarian WikiProject

Looks like some of you think that Bratislava has nothing to do with Hungary. May I ask you that why are you denying the fact that Bratislava (a.k.a. Pozsony or Pressburg/Preßburg) played a key role throughout the history of Hungary? Why are you disputing the fact that it was the capital of Hungary for centuries (from 1531 to 1784 to be exact), that Hungarian kings were crowned in Bratislava (at least until Székesfehérvár, the traditional Hungarian coronation town was under Ottoman rule) and many famous Hungarians were born in Bratislava? —Preceding unsigned comment added by CoolKoon (talk • contribs) 13:21, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

The edit-warring about the WikiProject template stops, now. The next person to change it gets blocked. --Elonka 13:54, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Headquarters

The original sentence "The headquarters of many of Slovakia's large businesses and financial institutions are in Bratislava as well." was changed by 99.241.67.84 to "Many of Slovakia's large businesses and financial institutions are headquartered in Bratislava as well." It was reverted by Trusilver. I do not understand what is wrong with changed version, can somebody enlighten me, please? In my view original version is worse. --Ruziklan (talk) 21:23, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Slovakia's first bank was founded in 1842"

Wich bank? And was founded in wich country? Is this an attempt to create a legacy of a state wich was erected in January 1, 1993 (or in March 14, 1939) ? Slovakia did not exist in 1842, therefore it could not have for example a bank. --Rembaoud (talk) 15:03, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

The bank was Prešporská sporiteľňa, účastinná spoločnosť. I will not comment on the "political" part of your comment because it has nothing to do with this article. Tankred (talk) 23:26, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

True, since its the historical part. If you wrote "Bratislava's first bank", that would be just fine. But Slovakia, wich did not exist in 1842...is unfortunately the "creation" chapter. --Rembaoud (talk) 17:27, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I favour Rembaoud' opinion.Nmate (talk) 11:05, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

The current version is good now. --Rembaoud (talk) 17:06, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bratislava's official name

As far as I know, the official language of the Kingdom of Hungary was the Latin until 1844 (with the exception of the period between 1784-1790), and then the Hungarian became its offical language. Therefore, I think that Bratislava's official name was Posonium untill 1844, Pressburg between 1784 and 1790 and Pozsony from 1844 untill 1919. Borsoka (talk) 01:37, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bratislava's foreign names

Can we qualify 'Pressburg' or 'Pozsony' as foreign names? The former was used by most of its inhabitants for centuries, the latter was its official name from 1844 until 1919 (and the latter's latin form, 'Posonium', had been its official name before 1844 for centuries). Borsoka (talk) 01:47, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Just in-a-hurry: why don't you rewrite it then? By the way, I think slapping many [citation needed] tags (sometimes just right next to a citation) doesn't help much, I think we should exercise more caution on articles like this one. I will comment later on your points The Autobahn (talk) 05:42, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Borsoka, I left your citations and added some of mine, however, I dispute the nature of some of your [citation needed] tags. I couldn't find any reference to any local nobleman Braslav right now, so I removed it, as well as mention about "official name" until it'll get resolved. But I must ask: what do you dispute in the name Istropolis? I assume either that: you dispute that Renaissance documents called it or that it was ever called Istropolis in Ancient Greek. However, you seem to have fairly good knowledge about Central European history (so far I've seen you're working in the Middle Ages), so if we will discuss this, it's possible we will work out a solution. What do you think?
P.S.: I assume you mean readding foreign names in the lead. I don't know if that's the best idea if we want a short, "clean" overview in the introduction, besides, a link links to Names already. The Autobahn (talk) 17:00, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Božaň

The article mentions that Pozsony was possibly named after Božaň, an 11th-century r u l e r (1053–99) of Bratislava Castle. Could we have more information on this person? I have never heard his name and all my reliable sources suggest that Pozsony was part of the Kingdom of Hungary during these years. It would be surprising if a ruler of one of the most important towns of the kingdom had not been noticed by Hungarian scholars, yet. Borsoka (talk) 09:09, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Broken anchor

Anchor in first paragraph (foreign and historical names) is dead/broken. Didn't see where it goes during quick scan. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 01:23, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bratislava itself borders Austria only

Bratislavski Kraj borders Hungary, not the city. ... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Leprechaun il ca (talk • contribs) 03:45, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Images

Panorama of the early morning sunshine over Bratislava's Old Town, to the left, and the New Town, to the right. Bratislava Castle is visible to the far left.
Panorama of the early morning sunshine over Bratislava's Old Town, to the left, and the New Town, to the right. Bratislava Castle is visible to the far left.
Panorama of the same area after a snowfall.
Panorama of the same area after a snowfall.

I really didn't think replacing one panorama with two would be described as creating a gallery, but what the heck. I'll ask nicely. Can these images be added somewhere? I believe they illustrate excellently both the Old Town and the New Town. Thanks. ;) --Schcamboaon scéal? 19:11, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Since the image only shows parts of 2 out of 17 boroughs, I don't think it should be in the article.--Svetovid (talk) 21:08, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
That's a bit much in all fairness; how about you find me an image that shows all seventeen boroughs in any great detail, and then we replace it with that?! It shows a large part of what are probably the two most well-known of its boroughs, including the castle, and one can't argue that it shows far more than the image it replaced (Bratislava Panorama 01.jpg). --Schcamboaon scéal? 13:50, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] anonymous user(MarkBA)'s edits

I reject this anonymous user ?MarkBA's opinion. His hidden reasons are evident for me. It is possible that what I wrote was not perfect in English but that my all sentences were wrong it is nonsense!!! I did not write in so wrong English that my all sentences should be removed from here immediately!!!!!This article was written by MarkBA and Tankred so I think this anonymus user is MarkBA. Long ago MarkBA very often removed my all edits so edit summary that :stop Hungarization please! Because I wrote the Hungarian historical events to the article's history chapter it was very obnoxious for him.Nmate (talk) 16:16, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Nmate: Firstly, if there is an article at Bratislava Castle, then that is how it appears here. If you wish to move it, go to WP:RM. Secondly, if you believe that to be a sockpuppet of MarkBA's, then make a case at WP:CHECKUSER. Otherwise, don't make the allegation here. Simple. Thanks. --Schcamboaon scéal? 17:33, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
No matter who the anonymous user is, some of Nmates edits were not very helpful, for instance the repeated "today's old part of Bratislava" and the complete removal of the Slovak name of Devín castle from the history section. He's surely not claiming that the Slovak name wasn't used before 1918? Markussep Talk 17:37, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Actually it's far from "no matter" it matters quite a bit who the anonymous user is. Banned users have no right to edit. This means that their contributions are reverted as per wikipedia policy WP:BAN. What's more it is also forbidden to edit on behalf of banned users per the same policy. The IP used in this case is a known confirmed range of banned user:MarkBA. Hobartimus (talk) 20:06, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

First of all, would you mind to stop that name-calling and blackmouthing? It doesn't help anybody at all. Then I will be glad to jump in and discuss, however, in a nutshell, the edits weren't helpful in some number of ways. Thanks for listening, 78.99.132.221 (talk) 20:56, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Back to the content of the article: could you (=Nmate and/or Hobartimus) indicate what you think is missing relevant information w.r.t. this article, current version, so we can discuss it? Markussep Talk 12:15, 11 June 2008 (UTC)