Talk:Brassed Off

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[edit] Regarding Accent

'The only accents in the film that were close to accurate were those of Stephen Tompkinson and a few minor characters.' I can only assume that the author of this comment is not a Yorkshireman, apologies if incorrect. As something of an amateur student of Yorkshire dialects and accents I can honestly say I had very little problem with those displayed by the actors, although chiefly West Yorkshire accents were used rather than South which is where the film is set. (A very common mistake, though.) Pete Postlethwaite's accent, although a Warrington man himself, was immaculate. Ewan McGregor and Tara FitzGerald were always going to have problems but did a sterling job on the whole. (I mean, who CAN do the abbreviating glottal stop outside Yorks/Lancs). Actually I thought Tompkinson struggled. He attempted a very difficult form of Yorkshire accent that was last heard, by myself at least, about 30 years ago. This form includes the gutteral 'r' sound, similar to the French 'r', that I believe originates from the Holme Valley. (Could be wrong there though). Although his overall performance was fantastic, the difficulty of this accent forced his execution of it to come across as laboured and unnatural sometimes and even his general approach to the broad vowel sounds of Yorkshire consisted of a tendency towards over-enunciation.

Must say that I don't agree with you at all on that. Perhaps, Harry could have passed off as Doncaster. Tompkinson's kids were fine, but I presume that they were roped in from a local school. McGregor was useless. All of the vowels were rounded, bad glottal stops, pronounced words such as "nowt" and "summat" in more Midlands fashion. I honestly think that it was quite poor. I don't think that it was West Yorks neither except maybe somewhere like Ilkley. Grimethorpe is right on the border with West/South. There isn't exactly a huge difference between Hemsworth and Barnsley anyway. 81.152.12.70 15:58, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

I know that many of the actors are from far away, but actors are supposed to be able to change for these things. If you watch Rita, Sue and Bob Too (set in Bradford), listen to how George Costigan (who played Bob) spoke! It's almost perfect Bradford from that era, yet he was from somewhere on the south coast. When you consider that a low-budget 1980s film like that did not have linguistics experts to help him, I think that it was quite an incredible effort that he got it so spot on. Rita and Sue weren't quite as good unfortunately. Epa101 16:23, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Analytical Deconstruction

This section looks like original research to me, and is certainly not NPOV. Unless 62.6.139.10 or anyone else would like to rework this section, I'm deleting it tomorrow. --CComMack 09:49, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure which bits of the article that you are referring to, as most of it seems to me to be in order. This part below does seem to come under "original research" and I shall delete it.

Whilst some may think that the film would be exaggerated for political purposes, the directors were actually more concerned that the film might tarnish the image of Grimethorpe, hence the name change to "Grimley". To this end, the extent of the poverty in that area is not reflected in the film. Whilst the fictional "Grimley colliery" saw 1000 men lose their jobs, the real "Grimethorpe colliery" saw 6000 men lose their jobs.

As for not being NPOV, where exactly? It always says that miners generally resented Thatcher's policies, rather than saying that they were evil or anything like that. I think that you'll find that most people in coalfield communities were generally very anti-Thatcher. How many votes do the Tories get in Grimethorpe, even today?

What's so special about \62.6.139.10 ?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.56.30.54 (talk • contribs) 17:08, 4 October 2005.

The offending section was removed long ago: check the edit history. 62.6.139.10 (talk • contribs) was the author. --CComMack 19:14, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "famous Australian music teacher, Michael Faragher"

"Brassed Off is now used as a learning medium by famous Australian music teacher, Michael Faragher." -- Mr Faragher is apparently not all that famous according to Google. If you wish to re-add him to the article, please justify doing so here. -- 201.50.248.179 21:55, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

As far as I can discern from doing a little research, Mr Faragher is a very dedicated music teacher and an obviously worthy member of his community, but I'm not sure that should justify him getting a mention on Wikipedia. Best left off I think. Bkpip 10:39, 22 April 2007 (UTC)