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[edit] Old discussion

From memory, I believe everything after the word "Brazil" in this entry is incorrect. Brasilia is north of the major urban centers of Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paulo, but way south of the Amazon region.

- (Entry has been updated -- thanks Joao) -

I'm wondering weather the pictures on the page are copyvios. They can be found at here. Vancouverguy 22:32, 17 Sep 2003 (UTC)

......................................................................................................................................................... Hi I live in Brasilia, I liked the page,it was cool when i found it at january 15 2004, but I made some changes on it. Not all public buildings are nyemeyers, and the city plan was widely based on Le Corbusier ideas, so i thought it was fair to mention him. There is no lack of sidewalks in Brasilia, since the begginnings it was decided the sidewalks would be built where people walked on, leaving a track in the grass.

You can find me at oitoparafusos@hotmail.com. My name is Mauricio Manco. user:manco ..............................................................................

Hello Mauricio, I disagree with You about the sidewalks. Usually the books that criticize Brasilia when it was still being built (60s and 70s). There are lots of places where there are no sidewalks, for example the embassy sectors. Dionisio junonijo@yahoo.com É claro que faltavam calçadas nos anos setenta, elas seriam construidas, e foram, em muitos lugares mas nem todos. Elas são construídas onde o povo anda a pé. Of course there was a lack of sidewalks in the seventies, they where to be built, and they was, in a lot of places but not ALL of them. They are built where people usually walk on.(manco)


  • For all Brasilia residents (and even more for the Satellite-Cities residents) it's clear that the city wasn't planed for walkers. There's a big distance between places of interest (and need) and the sidewalks are not a beautiful view (either lacking, cracked or else not covering the best way, most of the time). At the other hand, some Brasilia residents like me and Mauricio Manco really know how fun and interesting can it be to walk along the wings (north or south one). Brasilia is a place of contradictions, but as put by Tom Robbins in his book Villa Incognito, "what city is not"? danielduende 19:58, 31 October 2005 (UTC)


I made a small correction: the 1891 Brazilian constitution was Brazil's first REPUBLICAN constitution. There was a previous Imperial constitution dating from 1824 or thereabouts.

Marcelo Bastos

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On 04/08/2004 I rewrote the article adding much more information and trying to give a more realistic and personal picture of the city, one that you couldn't get in Encarta or the Encyclopedia Britannica. There were some serious problems with the English and the organization of what I found and I tried to adapt that without throwing out the whole thing.

[edit] Infrastructure

The unsourced claims about energy consumption use the units GWh, is this then stating the cumulative consumption and not the consumption rate? Or is this GWh/year or is this just unsourced garbage? GBMorris 19:37, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Population and communications?

Ponha-se no lugar de quem vai ler esse artigo. Para que o artigo seja lido, deve conter informações que interessem ao leitor. O inglês em que o artigo foi escrito é primário, duvido que um dia esse artigo seja um featured article. Peço ajuda dos colegas para juntos reescrevermos a página de cima a baixo.

Place yourself on the shoes of the reader. If we want people to read our article, we must give the reader valuable information. The english is poor, I doubt this article will be featured as it is.I ask my fellow wikipedians for help so we can rewrite the whole article.

A pagina em portugues tambem esta incompleta. I agree that the English is not proper written.

I agree, even though I have added a few things off and on to try to improve it and I have corrected some of the English. As I found this article on 27 November 2005 there were serious problems with not only the English but with some statements. What is the factual basis for the statement that Lucio Costa designed Brasilia without traffic lights only because his wife had been killed in one? That sounds like an urban legend to me. The reason is probably more likely to be found in the more pragmatic desire to create a city that was a break with the traditional one, which had traffic lights. I got rid of the statement because it certainly does not help the article and it is mentioned again further on in the article. I lived in Brasilia for twenty years and I never heard that explanation, which does not necessarily mean it could not have any basis of course. But to affirm such a thing we need a reputable source.

Ray Vogensen vogensen@portcult.com

[edit] Plano?

I think that the translation of "Plano Piloto" is incorrect, but I don't know whether it should be "Pilot Plain" or "Pilot Plane" instead. I think that both are correct translations, and one of the translations makes a good pun, but I am unsure of how Brasilians mean this phrase. Plain = geographic feature, Plane = flat geometric feature

What about Pilot Plan? It's a planned city afterall.

If we would go for an exact translation, i would drop the word Pilot for something else... like Main, First or Core, words that are closer to the original meaning of "Piloto". On the other hand, the translation of Plano as Plan (and not Plain or Plane) is a very good idea. danielduende 19:50, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
"Pilot Plan" is the most direct translation of "Plano Piloto" and the "pilot" part gives it the double entendre that's present in the Portuguese phrase. The double meaning inplied by "plane" is not an accurate translation because aeroplane in Portuguese is "avião" (from ave, meaning bird, + -ão, the augmentive suffix in Portuguese). And when "piloto/a" is used as an adjective, it is usually talking about a initiative, project or plan. Morganfitzp 15:20, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] City Planning

The end of the article says that the city is constantly under construction. Is that true???? A city constantly being under construction sounds Too Good To Be True. Besides, if that is indeed the case, sooner or later, it'll turn the planet into an Ecumenopolis, like Coruscant.

To reply, please leave a message in my User Talk. Feel free to type your reply onto this page too.

  • As a matter of fact Brasilia is "constantly under construction", really. There is still a lot of vacant spaces for building and there is a lot of things that were planned but never built, until now. Our actual governor, Joaquim Roriz has a personal taste for building big, flashy and severely over-budgeted things too. Our subway system was more expensive to build than the Rio de Janeiro subway system (that is at least 6 times bigger and way better). Maybe someday, being a "constantly under construction" city, Brasília overtakes all the space and become some kind of "Ecumenopolis", but this day is very far indeed. Brasília is, in the way we like to refer to it, the "largest small town of Brasil, and a very strange and fascinating one". I would reply to your talk-page, but i don't know who are you. :) danielduende 19:45, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Oh. I'm Shultz. --Shultz 07:02, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] More on planning

I noticed that there was no mention of the fact that this was a "planned" city that is known for its "form over function". I remember a quote from a TV special I saw when I was in college where it was referred to as a "Gerry built nowhere, infested with Volkswagons"... It would be nice if someone with city planning background could cover these issues.

Comments by Caby Smith 5/4/2007 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.179.79.225 (talk) 13:08, 4 May 2007 (UTC).


I think that you should translate to English the original Lucio Costa´s plan that won the competiton. It can be found here: http://aprender.unb.br/mod/resource/view.php?id=23561 The original plan discuss the car/pedestrian issue, for example. It´s very important to merge Lucio´s plan to a new section of the text. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.6.74.43 (talk) 14:41, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] How many administrative regions

I'm review this diff. How many administrative regions are there in the federal district? There seem to be 26 states and the federal district of Brasilia[1]. And within the federal district, there are 28 regions, not 29[2]. Has this changed recently?? Please cite sources. Thanks for clarification.--Muchosucko 14:19, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] population of brasilia?

it is very odd that the population or demographic information is not included in this entry. I was browsing on Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paulo and one can find almost any facts and figure on it but not for brasilia. From Instituto Brasileiro de Geografia e Estatistica http://www.ibge.gov.br/the 2004 estimated population is 2,282,049.

It's even more odd that the article cites two different populations, without explaining. The number you just cited does not match the larger one used in the first sentence of the page. -216.145.255.2 02:55, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Visik 05:50, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Map and more photos

Brasilia is so interesting in that it's completely unlike any other Brazilian city. This article would benefit from a map illustrating the original plan and some more photos, particularly depicting all the green space that the city is known for. Morganfitzp 15:20, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I have a lot of photos of Brasilia but I don't know how to upload to wikipedia. --Paulomsr 21:30, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Morganfitzp. The photo's that are present are extremely good and more would add to the article. Given Brasilia's special planning a map is crucial.130.237.175.198 13:45, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Satelite cities

I've added links to some of the mentioned satelite cities. If anyone knows something about the satelite cities, please add an article about them.--Googleplex5 00:15, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Climate

The section on climate says that the average high temperatures vary by 3°C and the low temperatures by 5°C. These are incorrectly translated to 37°F and 41°F. I've tried editing these to the correct values of 5° and 9° respectively but my changes have been backed out. A temperature of 3°C corresponds with 37°F but a temperature difference of 3°C is only 5°F!

Kevin, October 2006.

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[edit] Nightlife and links

I rewrote the nightlife section, which was short and inaccurate. Brasília does have stuff to do! Also, I added a link to the Convention and Visitors Bureau, and removed a duplicate link to the wikitravel page --Jully 19:19, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Breathless Intro text

Reading the Introduction text, you'd think this is the best city in the world, looked up to by the rest of the world, as a shining example of mankind's city-building, instead of just some architect's wet dream planted in the jungle. I know Brazilians are a proud people, but can somebody re-write with a bit less hyperbole, and a bit more NPOV?

The intro was rewritten, but it was written in a horribe excuse for grammer and said the population was 5 million. So I fixed those errors 'wikified' the intro to make it more encyclopedic.



There was no jungle where Brasilia was built. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.79.32.148 (talk) 18:15, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New intro...

Ive re-written the intro again - mentioning the fact that Brasilia houses the government, something quite important, dont you think? And also made it even less breathless...

Danielimb3bacon 18:17, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] References

This site currently lists only one source. May I suggest: James Holston’s The Modernist City: An Anthropological Critique of Brasília; James C. Scott's Seeing Like A State, specifically Chapter 4 The High Modernist City: An Experiment and A Critique. (154.5.166.187 20:32, 2 March 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Capital?

Hi, actually isn't it Rio the capital of Brazil? I think you all are doing a big mistake.


Rio? Haha, no no. Rio de Janeiro was the capital of Brazil from 1763 to 1960. After 1960 the capital was moved to Brasília.

[edit] And what about corruption?

Isn't Brasília the world's corruption capital?


[edit] Vandalized?

The economy section seemed to be gutted and replaced with whitespace and a couple slashes. Editing mistake or vandalism? I reverted the last edit to replace the missing text.

65.169.210.66 19:48, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of Supreme Court section

The main section is about government palaces, so the section about the Supreme Court should discuss that (if the SC is indeed in a palace), not about the functions of the court. I rm'ed the section; hopefully, someone knowledgeable about the SC buildings in that area can contribute some good pertinent info. --SigPig |SEND - OVER 00:39, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Problem with opening paragraphs

I'm not sure how to change it for the best, perhaps just making a few deletions, but the opening paragraphs seem to discuss hotels an awful lot. This is a rather random subject to discuss with several sentences in the opening which should discuss the city generally. Any thoughs? --The Way (talk) 05:23, 24 April 2008 (UTC)