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[edit] Re-write

In the wake of the severe abbreviation of this article earlier I gave it a thorough re-write. I tried to use what I could of previous versions but where they contradicted published sources I went with the published sources and much of what I kept I re-wrote. I have removed the cleanup tags but please don't feel that this version is in any way definitive. I fully expect it to be edited mercilessly. MGSpiller 22:36, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I have cleared up some factual errors by the above writer. 5 June 2006 (RC)

[edit] Reversions

I am reverting several of the points raised by user:82.38.58.18 but as many of these points could easily arise again I'm discussing each on the talk page.

  1. all demos were banned
    all the printed sources (BBC etc) seem to agree that the Anti Nazi League march was allowed.
  2. An asian man was stabbed in the initial confrontation
    the word stabbed is based on the "red hot curry" report of the court of appeal judgement. I would prefer to read the court records of the appeal court itself as this account may well be biased but without an alternative source I feel it stands for the moment.
  3. Stockpiles of petrol bombs and weapons.
    I have not seen this in the reports I have read can this be cited please?

MGSpiller 22:10, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Closure of pubs. This is an interesting point, there are definitly several pubs which have closed permanently in the immedieate aftermath of the riots, the upper globe springs to mind. Can anyone list all or most of them? Also this would be usefully illustrated by a quote (if one exists) from the Muslim comunity illustrating their dislike of pubs. MGSpiller 19:15, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Suggestions

I think this article could be vastly improved - I'd look at the Oldham Riots article for some guidance/consistency/ideas. The article is (currently) too POV, and given that it's such a controversial topic, needs LOTS more referencing!

Just to clarify also - if we say "was brought about as a result of tension between ETHNIC COMMUNITIES" - whilst Ethnic does mean ethinic group of any heritage - to some it automatically means ethnic minority and so should be rephrased... and to continue with "and agitation on the part of the far right" - this is VERY POV without a source. Whilst I agree with the statement, it needs a bit of a re-write to avoid future disputes and then a good reference (a governmental review or such) should make it a more NPOV and verifiable statement. Jhamez84 00:06, 25 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Lidget Green Disturbance

This was NOT the famous Bradford Riots of 2001, and in-fact, most of the violence came from a coach party of mostly white youths from outside the area, who attacked a Hindu wedding party in the Coach House public house. Some Muslim youths joined in the distrubance afterwards, in a revenge capacity, attacking the far-right coach party, and also (allegedly) taking vandalising actions against a Hindu-run newsagents shop, and several Hindu-owned cars.

Most of the violence against Hindu people (in this particular mini-distrubance) was caused in the pub, by the white gatecrashers to the Hindu wedding.

Some people on here are sewing mischievious inaccuracies, for whatever end and means.

Let's not stoke tensions by distorting the facts please!

I have correctly asserted the facts illustrated by the link, surrounding Lidget Green. Hopefully the anterior motives surrounding the mischief makers, won't allow the truth to be tarnished with distorted opinion.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.38.32.119 (talk • contribs) 09:50, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please, please please

Can we please show that this fighting involved muslim groups and reduce the use of the word asian and instead use the word muslim? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.6.161.60 (talk) 23:35, August 25, 2007 (UTC)

no it did not involve muslim groups. the people just happened to be muslim as they make up the majority of south asians in bradford. some hindu and sikh people were also involved. there was not a single muslim group that lead or encouraged the riots. instead muslim groups were trying to stop the riots. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.38.25.128 (talk) 19:26, 26 October 2007 (UTC) Rubbish! The muzzies stoked it up and you know it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.159.5.129 (talk) 21:25, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

This is just not true:
The Economist Magazine ( June 17th 1995 edition ) reported that No Hindu nor Sikh youths took part, only Muslim males. Indian owned business were attacked. In fact other reports state that older, masked Muslims ( thought to be HUT ) went down the streets ahead of everyone else, and specifically marked out Sikh and Hindu shops with spray paint, for destruction by rioters following them.[1]
Show me one Hindu or Sikh who was arrested. -- Q Chris (talk) 20:10, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
HVK, supposedly quoting the economist, is not a reliable source - the above link makes a series of dubious statements, - incidentally who or what are "HUT"? Pahari Sahib (talk) 22:29, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
I agree that HVK is not a reliable source, I will try to get hold of an original. Having seen Hindu businesses burnt selectively and Moslem ones left standing I know this to be the case. HUT is Hizb ut-Tahrir. -- Q Chris (talk) 08:26, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
"Muzzies"? Stop being racist. LOTRrules (talk) 09:47, 20 March 2008 (UTC)