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English Ancestry

It states that Brad is of English Ancestry. Is there interest in taking this further? On his mother's side, he is decendent of two large families, the Cokers and the Ogles. The Cokers came to the U.S. during the Revolutionary War. Family lore claims that the first Coker was captured from a trading vessel and forced to be part of the British Army. Upon arriving in the new land, he promptly went over to the Revolutionary soldiers and told them were the British were camped out. In return for his actions, he was awarded a lot of land. On the Ogle side, it is much better. The Ogles come from British and French royalty - decendent of Charlemagne. Also, the Ogles are all over Sevierville - where the Partons are from. So, Brad is certainly linked through a list of aunts and uncles to Dolly Parton. --Kainaw (talk) 08:09, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Spouses

You have the name of Brad Pitt's former spouse, Jennifer Aniston. However there should also be the information added for his current family and there status as well. He is now with his partner Angelina Jolie and their three children, Maddox, Zahara and Shiloh. Is there a reason that this info is only visible at the end of page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.33.109.120 (talk • contribs)

Simple - Angelina is not a spouse. So, she doesn't belong in a list of former and current spouses. There is an abnormally large section describing his personal relationship with her. When (if) they wed, she will be added to the list of spouses. --Kainaw (talk) 05:15, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
So i changed the section name to relationships so AJ may be included bc they have 3 kids and are about to get a 4th kids from Vietnam( according to http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20013922,00.html).written by 208.58.196.156 16:08, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
If you want it to be "relationships", you need to include practically every actress he's been paired up with. There's a reason that the women he dates demand that he not make a movie paired with another actress. --Kainaw (talk) 22:16, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Why is Angelina Jolie listed as his spouse? He's been engaged before (Gwyneth Paltrow), if Jolie is listed then why not others?

Oscar Winner?

Brad Pitt is listed as one of the three producers for the film "The Departed". and when a movie wins Best Picture at the Oscars that specific award is given to the producers of said film. so, since "The Departed" won, wouldn't/shouldn't Pitt be listed as an Academy Award winner for producing the film? i mean this as a legitimate question, b/c i honestly don't know. Calric03 18:05, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

The Academy set up specific rules where they essentially get to choose the producer(s) who get the award, up to 3 people. This was in reaction to the growing lists of producers on various films, and was actually fairly controversial. Unfortunately, Scorsese and Pitt were not chosen as 'official' producers in this vein...only Graham King. Try this link: http://www.calgarysun.com/cgi-bin/publish.cgi?p=173700&x=articles&s=showbiz
Perminisconious 22:55, 28 February 2007 (UTC)



My reversion on 23:31, March 23, 2007

In addition to reverting vandalism, I removed a link to PressArchive. This web site is blacklisted per WikiMedia blacklist. I have no knowledge of this web site, or the reason it's blacklisted, so I'm unwilling to alter that. --Celain 06:42, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Brad Pitt's Body Odor

My Post: Brad Pitt has frequently been mentioned as having exceptionally bad body odor. In 2004, Pitt was voted world's smelliest celebrity in a poll conducted by Swedish showbiz expert Mikael Jagerbrand. In 2006, Brad Pitt was voted one of the world's unsexiest men because of his atrocious B.O. Apparently his odor stems from a failure to bathe or wash his laundry appropriately. When co-workers on the set of Troy complained of his foul odor, Brad purchased a 3,600 dollar Calvin Klein shirt rather than showering.

Response: Please do not add unhelpful and unconstructive information to Wikipedia, as you did to Brad Pitt. Your edits appear to be vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. Gwernol 02:29, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

My Response: Excuse me, how is that vandalism? How is that unhelpful and unconstructive information? Those are two widely-reported verifiable polls. The information is clearly relevant. Is this a fan site? Can't we write anything other than glowing praise? Is this a teen mag or an encyclopedia? http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2006/04/21/brad_pitt_smells_bad http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-05/20/content_332235.htm

As somebody mentioned, this is like a fanzine article. Nobody can argue my edits are not RELEVANT or VERIFIABLE. Do the studios or agents pay people to censor these articles? Gee, I have a sneaking suspicion.

Coolest8675309 03:14, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Adding unreferenced information to an article is considered vandalism. It doesn't matter if it is true or not. If you had added the information with references, it would not be considered vandalism. However, keep in mind that just because something is on the web doesn't make it a reference. There is plenty of junk out there. So, try adding the information with references. --Kainaw (talk) 19:08, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Just to be clear, any references must adhere to WP:RS. --Yamla 19:19, 19 April 2007 (UTC)


CAN SOMEBODY UNBIASED HELP ME OUT HERE PLEASE???

Based on the suggestions to include references, I posted: Brad Pitt has frequently been mentioned as having exceptionally bad body odor. In 2004, Pitt was voted world's smelliest celebrity in a poll conducted by Swedish showbiz expert Mikael Jagerbrand.[1] In 2006, Brad Pitt was voted one of the world's unsexiest men because of his atrocious hygene.[2] Apparently his odor stems from an inability to bathe or wash his laundry. When co-workers on the set of Troy complained of his foul odor, Brad purchased a 3,600 dollar Calvin Klein shirt rather than showering.[3]

The response:

Please stop. Continuing to add unsourced or original content, as you did to Brad Pitt, is considered vandalism and may result in a block. Note that the sources you are claiming are unreliable as per WP:RS, as has already been pointed out. --Yamla 23:16, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

My response: What?? Wow, this is reaching the height of ridiculousness!!! First of all WP:RS clearly states it “is a guideline, not a policy, and is mandatory only insofar as it repeats material from policy pages.” Second, how are the sources I provided not reliable or verifiable? Just cut and paste the section that explains that. Both the polls I mentioned were widely reported and published by many newspapers worldwide. Are you saying these newspapers are not reliable (see list below)?

Why is it appropriate to include a poll that lists Pitt as sexiest man, but not appropriate to include a poll in which he was voted unsexiest man. I think you should read WP:NPOV. That stands for NEUTRAL POINT OF VIEW and it is an OFFICIAL POLICY, unlike WP:RS. A neutral point of view, such as, for example, a person who is not paid to watch over actors’ bios might have. Are you by any chance PAID to watch over actors’ bios? Mmmm???

Here are just a few of the PUBLISHED articles in RESPECTABLE newspapers worldwide: http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/May262004/edst.asp http://www.calgarysun.com/perl-bin/niveau2.cgi?s=club2&p=85066.html&a=1 http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/684608.cms http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-05/20/content_332235.htm http://www.newstext.com.au/docs/MEL/2004/get.jsp?docid=MEL-20040518-1-003-K547129@NAT-NEWS-2004-2003 http://www.clarin.com/diario/2004/05/20/conexiones/t-762395.htm http://www.accessmylibrary.com/premium/0286/0286-3837137.html http://www.canalstars.com/canalstars/canalstars.nsf/0/167938AE407ECD07C1256E98004A8E75?open Etc.

STOP THREATENING ME AND ADMIT IT YAMALAMBDA: YOU DON’T HAVE A LEG TO STAND ON! Coolest8675309 00:16, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Near as I can tell, not one of these is independent. Also, please note that my account name is Yamla. If you can find a common consensus that Mr. Pitt is generally regarded as a particularly unsexy man, it would of course be appropriate to add it here. One unsourced claim in a newspaper, republished in a number of other papers, does not meet our threshold, however. --Yamla 00:56, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Yamla, what? General consensus? We are talking about polls; kinda like the poll that said he was sexy, which seems to meet your threshold. Well, there are two other polls. One in 2004 that said he had the worst B.O. among celebrities. Another in 2006 that listed him among the unsexiest men because of his B.O. Are we on the same page now?

Now, are you saying these polls did not take place? They were reported, printed, in innumerable newspapers worldwide.

Are you saying these polls are not relevant? Why does the search “Brad Pitt Body Odor” yield 41,700 hits in google? Why does the search “Brad Pitt unsexiest man” get 52,400 hits? Those numbers clearly prove those two polls are relevant.

Yamla what are you saying? -->Coolest8675309 19:14, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

You clearly have not yet read WP:RS. Until you do so, please do not waste our time any more. --Yamla 19:16, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
I'll also note that the search, "Brad Pitt elephant man", results in 252,000 hits. This is why we demand reliable sources, as has been pointed out over and over again to you. --Yamla 19:18, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Ha ha how about this - "Brad Pitt bitch" gets 717,000 hits. So I guess we now start adding links to web sites showing how Brad Pitt Denies Being Angelina Jolie's Bitch ?. I don't think so. WP:LIVING applies very much here and the hurdle is a lot higher than other articles of say dead people. Maybe thats why a week ago people were claiming Brad Pitt was dead so they could stick in stuff like this. Ttiotsw 20:26, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Request for Comment: Brad Pitt's Body Odor

This is a dispute as to whether it is appropriate to include the post, reproduced below, regarding Brad Pitt's body odor. The complete discussion is above.

Brad Pitt has frequently been mentioned as having exceptionally bad body odor. In 2004, Pitt was voted world's smelliest celebrity in a poll conducted by Swedish showbiz expert Mikael Jagerbrand.[4] In 2006, Brad Pitt was voted one of the world's unsexiest men because of his atrocious hygene.[5] Apparently his odor stems from an inability to bathe or wash his laundry. When co-workers on the set of Troy complained of his foul odor, Brad purchased a 3,600 dollar Calvin Klein shirt rather than showering.[6]

I believe that the existence of two polls regarding this issue has been demonstrated beyond a doubt. They were widely reported in numerous newspapers worldwide.

The issue of relevance is resolved by the google statistics demonstrating the number of mentions of these polls.

It violates the OFFICIAL POLICY of Neutral Point of View WP:NPOV to include one poll listing Mr.P is the sexiest man, while not mentioning these other widely reported polls. 19:10, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

You have cited one source: all the others are just references to that source. The source is clearly not reliable since it doesn't say who was polled, nor how many were polled, not what they were asked. Its just something one guy made up to get in the papers. If you continue trying to add this clearly inappropriate material to the article it will be removed and you will be blocked for vandalism and disruption. Please take this warning seriously. Gwernol 19:41, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
I agree it looks like a dubious source. The references all seem to point to the same source i.e. Mikael Jagerbrand. Basically who-he ? He doesn't appear elsewhere in Wikipedia. Ttiotsw 20:08, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Michael Jagerbrand is a Swedish showbiz expert writing for the magazine "Aftonbladet" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Coolest8675309 (talk • contribs).

And not a reliable source. We won't tell you that again. --Yamla 20:35, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Just to be clear, Coolest8675309, as one of the sources you quoted tells us: "[Jagerbrand] claims to have based the stinky list on information from journalists who have interviewed the stars and top-secret intelligence from other chatty celebs who dished about their peer's bad hygiene." In other words this "poll" as you keep calling it is something that Jagerbrand made up and is completely unreliable tabloid garbage. Continuing to suggest we use this as a proper source for an encyclopedia article is clearly in breach of WP:BLP, WP:RS, WP:V and WP:POINT. Gwernol 20:40, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Request/ suggestion

I think this [1] and other humanitarian work should be included but I cannot add it because of WP:COI --BozMo talk 08:45, 10 May 2007 (UTC)


1994 -2000

From the 1994 - 2000 section: "Pitt created a just-barely-intelligible accent suggesting the Irish Pikeys, itinerant and insular Irish Gypsies"
Setting aside the fast and loose gramar here, the word "Pikeys" is considered offensive. The fact that characters use the word in the film is neither here nor there: in Pulp Fiction, Samuel L. Jackson's character says the word "nigger" quite often, but one would not say "The nigger he portrtays in the film is based on..."
It doesn't fit in the context used anyway. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.140.7.186 (talk) 18:30, 11 May 2007 (UTC).

Keep in mind that Brad's character in Snatch is regularly referred to as "The Pikey". Sam is never referred to as "The Nigger" in Pulp Fiction. --Kainaw (talk) 01:05, 30 May 2007 (UTC)


Right. Try to "keep in mind" the fact that you are missing something here. Perhaps you are you not from England, and are therefore unaware of what the word "pikey" brings to the table. The Samuel L. Jackson example was perhaps not sufficient for you because of the detail that he is not referred to as "The Nigger" in Pulp Fiction. However, this is irrelevant. What seems obvious to me - but what you are not seeing - is that just because the other characters in the film call Brad Pitt's character "The Pikey", or he is referred to as a "pikey", it does not follow that it is OK for someone reviewing the film (for example) to say (again, for example): "The Pikey that Brad Pitt plays is interesting because yada yada..."

It does not confer the right on the reviewer to use the term.

An equivalent example:
Forrest Whitaker plays a character in a film. The character is referred to throughout the film as "The Stupid Nigger". He wears a t-shirt that says "Stupid Nigger" on it for the duration of the film. This does not mean that it's somehow OK to say "Forrest Whitaker, who plays a lonely and stupid nigger in the film, is interesting because yada yada..." Of course this would be wrong. One could say "The Forrest Whitaker character, "Stupid Nigger" is bullied throughout the film by yada yada.."

I'll paraphrase the example that I originally pointed out was wrong:

"Pitt created a just-barely-intelligible accent suggesting the Irish Pikeys, itinerant and insular Irish Gypsies etc...

Now see if this sounds OK:

"Forest Whitaker created a just-barely-intelligible accent suggesting the Chicago niggers, itinerant and insular box-car travelling yada yada..."

It doesn't does it?

Apologies for being a bit moody, but the word is offensive, and the example I originally pointed out was also offensive, in the context the word was used.
It's an encyclopedia, and I'm trying to improve it. Try to "keep in mind" that there's invariably a good reason that people point something out. OK? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.143.164.120 (talk • contribs)

I'm sorry, but I didn't realize that the phrase "keep in mind" was considered offensive in your area of the world. Over here, it means, "while your argument is generally accepted, there is a weakness you may want to tend to so it can be stronger." --Kainaw (talk) 22:01, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


I didn't say it was offensive. Mildy annoying, though it's only annoying if the person saying it is somehow being diversionary or just wrong. After reading what I have added, where I used examples and stated my point quite clearly about the offensive use of a racist term (certain travelers and gypsies are considered an ethnic minority in the UK), you reply making a minor and irrelevant point, and don't address the issue under discussion. I can only conclude that the reason that you originally made your first point about Samuel L. Jackson's character was because you hadn't fully read my first entry on this page.

Being reminded to "keep in mind" some irrelevant point is akin to being patronised: I never mentioned what Jackson's character was called.

Now to my original point, which still you have not addressed: the use of the word Pikey in the context it is used in the article is offensive. This, I repeat, is beside the fact that the article needs brushing up grammatically. I see no "weakness" I may want to "tend" to. If there is a bit of this "offensive use of the word Pikey" issue you don't understand, please say, but it seems crystal clear to me.

In my part of the world, these things matter.

Cheers!


Oh right. I had a brief look at your "user" page, and noticed that you had a hand in the article about Brad Pitt.

Now it's all making sense.

Cheers!

I do not know how people converse in your region of the world. Right now, we are conversing in Wikipedia. You appear to be implying that I had something to do with adding "Pikey" to the article. You then appear to be implying that I disagree with you about "Pikey" being offensive. You also appear to hide behind anonymity by refusing to type four ~'s after your comments. None of that helps in any way. You never once took the time to see if I had anything to do with adding "Pikey" or what my opinion on the word is. However, I will assume that your local customs require people to assume the worst in others. I will not hold that against you in any way. For the record, I had nothing to do with adding "Pikey" to the article and I had nothing to do with anything in the article beyond his pre-fame years. I corrected terribly incorrect information about his childhood. As for my opinion on the word "Pikey", I know that it is offensive and should not be used. I did not add it. In fact, I haven't read that far down the article to know where in the article it is used. I never stated that it should be kept. I merely pointed out that, in the movie, he is repeatedly referred to as "The Pikey". Therefore, someone may easily call him the "The Pikey" without knowing that there is some negative connotations to the name and, therefore, without the intent of insulting anyone. --Kainaw (talk) 15:30, 11 June 2007 (UTC)



For others that want to get a "helicopter view" of this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pikey

OK. If you got the impression that I think (or I am implying) that you disagree with me about the use of the word, that's probably because up until now you haven't mentioned the fact that you agree: instead you've chosen to take this tangent of reminding me to "keep in mind" some irrelevant point. The fact that you say "I haven't read that far down the article to know where in the article it is used" concerns me, because of this: I saw something that needed correcting / I took the time to carefully add a point about this on the discussion page / instead of some Wikipedian (who technically knows how to edit the article properly) replying with "Check. Have corrected wording in article", I instead get you addressing some irrelevant point about Samuel L. Jackson. I have taken the time to constructively help the project, and all I get is this patronising point. I do not take kindly to being told to "keep" something "in mind", unless it's my father or my School Master, so I get annoyed. You get the brunt of my annoyance, and instead of considering for a minute that I might have a justifiable reason to be riled, you decide to assume that it is my natural state, or actually some kind of national characteristic. It isn't. I'd like to think that I had an international reaction to something annoying: I got annoyed. So when you say: "In fact, I haven't read that far down the article to know where in the article it is used" I then have no choice but to conclude that you made your comment without any knowledge of what I was talking about.

You rushed to judgement before all the facts were in. You Wikipedians probably have some sort of code for this (YRTJBATFWI:Wiki?) as you seem to have a code for everything else. The fact that you people often raise the "Well, of course, you're anonymous, so it's OK for you" issue is rather telling: you've become some kind of club, and you don't like strangers round here. Actually as an official "user" you have much more anonymity than I do. You hide your IP, and I don't. I've got nothing to hide. I actually am growing to dislike this place more and more, with it's American bias and it's growing little coterie of bedroom-based humourless "editors" who like to act superior, but when it comes down to it one could argue that all they are lording over is an amateur and inaccurate string of words masquerading as knowledge. Often when I come along to helpfully try and improve it, I have been thanked and welcomed. However, if your comments are anything to go by, you prefer a closed door policy. Subsequently when it comes to joining clubs, I for one will stick with the Groucho Marx theory every time. I'll have to take your word for it that you agreed with my point all along, but I draw your attention to this example:

You said this: "I merely pointed out that, in the movie, he is repeatedly referred to as "The Pikey". Therefore, someone may easily call him the "The Pikey" without knowing that there is some negative connotations to the name and, therefore, without the intent of insulting anyone"

It therefore follows that you are suggesting that if there were a review or critique of a film (say, about immigration, where one of the characters is referred to as "The motherfucking wetback") on the web or in a newspaper, it would be perhaps not acceptable but excuseable if the reviewer were to say "Jack Gonzalez plays a motherfucking wetback with a strange limp etc....."

You say: "without knowing that there is some negative connotations (sic)" and it fits perfectly: because the writer obviously didn't know, I was informing them. I assumed you wrote the article because you strangely chose in a subtle way to defend the writer instead of agreeing with me. Now please excuse my over-use of italics.

To be frank there is something about your faux-virginal shock at being "spoken" to in this way that is irritating: you're perfectly happy being bloody rude when you type a reply, and then get all blushing and surprised when it comes back. I for one ain't fooled: you've done this before. You're not as pure as the driven snow. It's written all over your words.

All the work you've done here is, I'm sure, very good, and I wish you no ill. I do want you to know, however, that this is a battle of wits you'll lose: I'm right. You're wrong. See, in my part of the world (England), we invented encyclopedias, dictionaries, this language, sarcasm, irony, and, unfortunately for you Kainaw, having the ridiculous conviction that we are right.


Cheers!

Stop crying. I edited the article. It isn't all that difficult. You click the "edit this page" link, edit the text, and click Save page. Youth in Asia 02:27, 12 June 2007 (UTC)


Sniff*

Cheers! I wouldn't have presumed to edit a Wikipedia article: like I said, one gets the impression that so many here are often rather precious about this place, so I've always found it better to suggest things and let other insiders decide.

Again, from this mysterious masked man, cheers.

Helpful hint... There are no insiders. This is a public encyclopedia. Do whatever you like and don't complain as others do what they like. Youth in Asia 03:10, 13 June 2007 (UTC)



You claim it's public, but you know damn well what I mean: you have a "username", and you've signed up. Wikipedia claims it is egalitarian and open, but some of its members often get all uptight about everyone "signing" their edits and comments. If someone makes a valid point or useful edit, who cares what their "nick" is? In my opinion, this is sometimes a kind of club where you're either in or out. I don't want to join, but I still want to occasionally point out something wrong. If it's truly public, then those who complain to me about being anonymous should back down. There, I've said it. And don't you start on me, Youth in Asia. Because I'll take you all on. Case in point: your point that I am responding to is actually moaning / complaining about what I do. You said "Do whatever you like and don't complain as others do what they like". If I can - as you say - do whatever I like, then why are you telling me to not complain? If I can do what I like, it follows that one of things I can do is complain.

Your point is essentially a complaint.

I'm positive that if you people have some sort of governing committee and they look at this thread, they'd come down on my lovely side. And I thought you were one of the good guys. Thanks again for the edit. And stop complaining!


Cheers!

Brad Pitt's phone number

Taking off the fake phone number supposedly associated with Brad Pitt. C'mon people.

This pertains to a minor grammatical/spelling error or somebody trying to slip in mean little joke, under the heading "Acting career", subheading "1994-2000" the second paragraph begins "Shit was then nominated for an Academy Award...". It should read "Pitt was then nominated for an Academy Award..." Also, in the same section, first paragraph, the article states that "he had to wear a pair of luminous green eyes, vampire fangs and a shoulder-length hairpiece to complete the appearance". Pitt did not wear a hairpiece in the film the article is speaking of, "Interview With A Vampire". Pitt dyed his natural hair, which was very long at the time, brown for the film. I would question the sources for this information as many candid, paparazzi, and red carpet photos of Pitt at that time (1992-1995)show him with his natural hair long including at the "Interview With A Vampire" and "Legends of the Fall" film premiers and the cover photo and articles of the January 30, 1995 People Magazine issue in which he was named "Sexiest Man Alive".Seanymphette 22:41, 18 May 2007 (UTC)--Seanymphette 22:41, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Please Edit film link it is not pointing to the film it is pointing to a person

{{editprotected}} Please edit the film Abby Singer 2003 the he had a cameo in for the link is pointed to Abby Singer (the person) and not Abby Singer (film) Thanks for you help.Wembly Hall Theatre Company 21:18, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Done Dafyd 21:29, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Please edit under "Relationship with Angelina Jolie"

{{editprotected}} Under Relationship with Angelina Jolie, end of second paragraph,, someone added "On July 10, 2007, Brad Pitt was spotted at the Pleasure Chest in West Hollywood with an acquaintance in the back room who was a special guest male stripper who had stripped for the Chippendale's company in Las Vegas. They were in the back room until about 4:40am. Then Brad Pitt and his acquaintance split their ways. Then on the 12th of July they were spotted once again at the Ralphs super market on Hollywood Boulevard with baby Maddox. This is why Brad has not been seen with Angelina for the past week.[19]"

Kindly delete this as the source is a US Weekly article about Brad Pitt loading his motorcycle for gasoline and not on any meeting in Pleasure Chest.

JG23M 18:22, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Done. Cheers. --MZMcBride 19:21, 6 August 2007 (UTC)