Talk:Boze Hadleigh

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I have removed the following passage from the article to the talk page as it seems to be a personal opinion of the editor:

  • In the film Love! Valour! Compassion! a group of gay men are reading a book and laughing about the improbable people the book outs as "gay". This is likely an discreet commentary on Hadleigh's books.

There are several books by other authors dealing with homosexual celebrities. Onefortyone 10:38, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

I put in a dispute notice on this:

  • "A linguist with the ability to converse in five languages, Hadleigh has an M.A. in journalism and has traveled to 48 countries. He has been called the "Samuel Pepys of Hollywood". He lives in Beverly Hills, California."

We need to name of the University in order to verify it, and the source and credentials fot the quote. - Ted Wilkes 18:53, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

For publishers notes on Hadleigh, see [1] and [2]. Onefortyone 23:30, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

The review of Hadleigh's Conversations With My Elders published by Midwest Book Review should not be removed from the article page. Established in 1976, the Midwest Book Review publishes several monthly publications for community and academic library systems in California, Wisconsin, and the upper Midwest. It is an organization of volunteers committed to promoting literacy, library usage, and giving priority consideration to small press publishers, self-published authors, and academic presses. They accept no financial donations from authors or publishers for their services. It is certainly a reliable source. Onefortyone 01:10, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Midwest Book Reviews are written by volunteers whose credentials are not made public and they do not provide Literary criticism. Literary magazines do not quote Midwest Reviews. They specialze in small press or self-published authors who can't get a review by the authorative professional sources. Major publishing houses do not submit their books to Midwest, but a "volunteer" reviewer who likes a book can review any book on the market they please. As such, Hadleigh's book was reviewed by an unknown volunteer. Since Jim cox made a financial arrangement a few years ago with Gale Research Company, Midwest no longer charges for a book review. However, in 1987 when Hadleigh's book was published, they did charge. It is a good idea to know what you are talking about in an encyclopedia - not a quick cut-and-paste of selected information from the Internet to suit a purpose. - Ted Wilkes 16:32, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Sorry, Ted, the book reviewed by Midwest Book Reviews was the reprint of Hadleigh's book, published in 2002 under the new title, Celluloid Gaze. See [3] Onefortyone 19:52, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Please cite the sources for his education etc. as per previous request. - Ted Wilkes 19:42, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

For publishers notes on Hadleigh, see [4] and [5]. Onefortyone 22:54, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

I removed this link because it is only a personal website:

  • www.salmineo.com/news/inter_hadleigh.html THE BOZE HADLEIGH INTERVIEW OF SAL MINEO

- Ted Wilkes 19:46, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I do not understand why you removed the link to this website. It includes excerpts from a book by Hadleigh. Onefortyone 22:54, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Referencing to a personal website is in contravention of Wikipedia:No original research. - Ted Wilkes 00:42, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

No it isn't, as this website includes excerpts from a book by Hadleigh. Onefortyone 14:57, 4 February 2006 (UTC)


... precisely why Wikipedia does not accept Original Research - because it is a personal website wee do not know if the information or the alleged "excerpts" have been altered or even fabricated. - Ted Wilkes 18:42, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

This website is still an important source. Would you please provide evidence that the excerpts from Hadleigh's book, Conversations With My Elders, presented on this page are fabricated. Onefortyone 02:53, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I have not yet seen a source which proves that Hadleigh was born in 1954. So I have removed the supposed year of birth. Onefortyone 04:30, 26 February 2006 (UTC)


To single-agenda editor Onefotrtyone:

Removing a birth date because you "claim" you can't find it is deliberate vandalism. You are the master at quoting Amazon text and know full well where his birth year comes from. For thosde who donn't, it is here in his Amazon.com biograsphy. - Ted Wilkes 13:19, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, Ted. I didn't know that there is such an Amazon source. So the year of Hadleigh's birth may be included. However, is the source reliable? Who has provided the alleged year of birth? According to the Library Journal, Hadleigh had been an "entertainment journalist since the 1960s" who "conducted volumes of off-the-record interviews with celebrities reputed to be gay or bisexual..." If it is true that he already worked as a journalist during the 60s, he cannot be born in 1954. Thus, it is more likely that he has been born in 1934. It could well be that the entry from Contemporary Authors is a misprint. Further, I am not satisfied with Ted Wilkes's latest edits. They seem to be personal research. I have now removed some passages, as the year of Hadleigh's birth is still uncertain (two sources contradict each other) and the claims included by Wilkes were based on the fact that Hadleigh was actually born in 1954. Onefortyone 16:44, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Removed the following Personal Opinion that violates Wikipedia:No original research.

  • "Thus, he must have been born several years earlier."


At the Personal Website here Onefortyone likes to quote and place in Wikipedia articles in violation of Wikipedia policy, it states that Boze Hadleigh wrote on the first line:

  • "I met the Switchblade Kid in 1971, while in a play at Santa Barbara High"

Facts are facts, all biographies at Amazon.com are placed there ONLY with the approval of the author. - Ted Wilkes 16:23, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm removing the link because it is a Personal Website, the FANCLUB site of John Seger & Karen Hardcastle.


Interesting: Onefortyone please tell us what the digital reference volume published by Thomson Gale, says about Hadleigh's education? - 16:44, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Well done, Ted. You may be astonished, but I am accepting your line of reasoning. Hadleigh's own account of his first meeting with actor Sal Mineo in his book, Conversations with my Elders, certainly supports the view that he was born in 1954. However, I am still of the opinion that your text partly includes some personal research and interpretation. Therefore, I have now revised and tightened up the text in order to make it more neutral. I hope this is satisfactory to all. Onefortyone 18:26, 28 February 2006 (UTC)


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[edit] Comment

The section on "Questions regarding the authenticity of his writings" challenges his work primarily based on his age, as if being young somehow invalidates what he says. In fact, the interviewees frequently comment on his youth, and show surprise that someone so young should know so much about film and Hollywood history. I read the entire entry as editorially biased against Mr. Hadleigh, with the only "evidence" offered being the above challenge based solely on his age at the time of some of the interviews. The entire entry should be rewritten in a less biased form, with the controversy over the authenticity of some of the interviews relegated to a section that deals with specific charges that are based on verifiable information.

Done. Onefortyone 21:52, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

The entry for Boze Hadleigh should not be used to debate whether or not X and Y were gay/lesbian (and in the case of bygone stars the full truth may be unknowable). --fshepinc 04:28, 21 September 2006

[edit] Removal of Boze Hadleigh

This person should be removed! Period!--Jslasher 08:28, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Requesting Citations and Documentation

As it stands, the article has nothing by way o the above. Please supply some. Cordially, --Drieux 07:32, 20 September 2007 (UTC)