Talk:Boys Don't Cry (film)

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DukePatton 01:04, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

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Contents 1 The Cure 2 GID or transsexual? 3 Bowie? 4 Encyclopedic Quality 5 Plot / spoiler 6 Criticism from transexual groups? 7 Gender of Brandon in the Plot section 8 Fair use rationale for Image:Boysdontcry 1.jpg 9 Awards list for integration

[edit] The Cure

The title of the film is also the name of a song by The Cure. Is this a coincidence? Should it be added? The Cure page links here...

[edit] GID or transsexual?

I believed this was a story about a person with [Gender Identity Disorder] rather than a "transsexual man". Does anybody know what the author intended to tell? - K.T., 16:08, 12 Oct.06 Osaka, Japan

In response to this: you're right, he is not theoretically a transsexual. However, it was never pressumed that he was. In order to really be a transsexual in the common understanding of the word, he would have had to have had gender reassignment surgery-- but that goes into pre-opperation transsexual vs. post op. transsexual. That's why I think it was good that the person who wrote this article reffered to him as transgender instead-- its less confusing. Transgender: a person whose self-identification challenges traditional notions of gender and sexuality; including transexuals and others who don't conform to tradtions of male/female and/or heterosexual/homosexual. I personally don't really like the term "gender identity crisis" it makes transgenderism sound wrong - a crisis- and like its only a phase. But that's just my opinion. I hope this helps clear things up 71.232.90.133 02:25, 30 November 2006 (UTC) A

[edit] Bowie?

I just finished watching the movie a few minutes before looking up the article, and I don't recall seeing David Bowie. I also checked the IMDb page for the movie, as well as Bowie's page there, and neither mention this cameo. I know that IMDb is user-generated and not perfect (much like a slower version of a wiki), but they're usually pretty thorough when it comes to big names like him. I'm removing the mention from the article, and if someone wishes to revert this removal, please cite a reliable source to support your claim. - Ugliness Man 18:28, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Encyclopedic Quality

This article really needs to be re-written. It sounds like an advertisement or perhaps a criticism or review not an encyclopedic article. It is important for the author to maintain a certain detachment from the subject matter. 16:00, 4 Jan 2007

[edit] Plot / spoiler

Hey, I've moved the line nothing the difference between the plot of the film and the actual events because it's a spoiler. I guess this is a start to the plot section but as I've not seen the film I can't write the rest of it :) trolleymusic 04:11, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Um, the plot synopsis itself is a bit of a mess. Who is Lambert? And the last line seems to imply that the baby is Lana's?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.49.140.182 (talk) 11:59, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I was thinking the same thing about the baby comment at the end of the synopsis. The film doesn't show any baby of Lana's at the end while she's driving in the car. It only states that she returned to Fall City to raise her baby, hence I am removing that comment.Feudonym (talk) 03:43, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism from transexual groups?

I remember reading once a criticism from a transexual group (or perhaps just one person) who felt it didn't accurately potray what it meant to be transexual and instead potrayed Brandon Teena as simply being a confused invidual (although this wasn't the impression I got from watching it) rather then a man in a woman's body. If this criticism could be reliably sourced it should be added, especially if it's a common one. Nil Einne 20:39, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gender of Brandon in the Plot section

I propose that the gender of Brandon's character should be changed to "he" in the Plot section, or at least he/she, since part of the message of the movie is that gender is not defined solely by anatomy. KaterGator 04:59, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

"He" would be more appropriate than any other option, it would seem, since Teena self-identified as male. If gender is not determined by anatomy, then it is determined by the identity of the person (ie personality). (This is not to be confused for choice, of course.) Kasreyn 15:58, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

It should at least be made consistent, because Brandon is referred to as 'he' and 'she' alternately throughout the article. I agree with the proposal that Brandon's character be referred to consistently as male, but at the very least the flip-flopping between 'he' and 'she' is pointless and confusing. 131.128.160.87 17:19, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Now Seriously people Im not trying to ruffle any feathers here but it is obviously incorrect ot refer to a full fledged woman as a man. A persons genitals are the only thing that goes into definig their sex and obviousy TEENA BRANDON(HER REAL NAME) had female genitalia. Furthermore as a full fledged man I am very offended by your attempt to describe this woman as a man and im mulling over contacting the ACLU. Duke Patton

I suggest reading articles on transgender and gender identity, as well as paying attention to Wikipedia's manual of style on identity, before making any more incorrect blanket statements on gender and genitalia. Kolindigo 02:05, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Did Teena Brandon have a penis? or testicles? The answer of course is no. This means beyond the shadow of a doubt that "it" was not a woman. So what was "it"? Well "it"... did have a vagina, thus SHE was a WOMAN. Now of course I make these assumptions off of silly old science and I know that must seem ridiculous to someone who is basing definitions of gender on an online encylopedia's guidelines. Please forgive me. And let me assume now that even the most basic scientific truths have no merit or meaning on this website for they maybe offensive to some people. Duke Patton 22:44, 7 August 2007.

I believe that in the case of this film, we need to respect the director's interpretation of the story. My understanding is that the director portrayed the character of Brandon Teena as self-identifying as male and thus the masculine pronouns should be used. Possible references for this are The Secret Behind "Boys Don't Cry" and 'Boys Don't Cry' filmmaker saw past violence to love. ZueJay (talk) 23:53, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't think this has anything to do with respecting the director's interpretation. Please refer to Wikipedia's Manual of Style, specifically with regard to how Wikipedians are to write on subjects' identity. I quote:

Where known, use terminology that subjects use for themselves (self-identification). This can mean using the term an individual uses for himself or herself, or using the term a group most widely uses for itself. This includes referring to transgender individuals according to the names and pronouns they use to identify themselves.

Therefore, Mr. Teena should be referred to throughout Wikipedia consistently by the name Brandon and with the male pronoun forms ("he", "his", etc.). "Duke Patton" refers to science, but any scholarly journal or academic institution would certainly require this same style. Therefore I find myself curious about what sort of institute Mr. Patton acquired his appreciation for science from. Cheers, Kasreyn 15:25, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

I made the simple point that someone born a woman is always a woman whether they like it or not. Obviously science would back me up there. It's ironic that only an elitist such as yourself could possibly deny the most basic and obvious truths, get a grip.DukePatton 01:04, 27 September 2007 (UTC)DukePatton

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Boysdontcry 1.jpg

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BetacommandBot 10:17, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Awards list for integration

I'm in the process of migrating a huge chunk of awards data from the Christine Vachon article into the relevant articles for each film. In this case, there's already a quite well-formatted list of the major awards, so I'm parking the migrating list here until I or someone else get time to go through it and reformat relevant examples to match what's in the article already.

2000 Academy Awards - Best Actress in a Leading Role - Hilary Swank; nominated for Best Actress in a Supporting Role (Chloe Sevigny)

2000 Golden Globes - Best Performance by an Actress in a Motion Picture - Hilary Swank; nominated for Best Performance by an Actress in a Supporting Role (Chloe Sevigny)

2001 BAFTA Awards - nominated for Best Performance by and Actress in a Leading Role (Hilary Swank)

1999 National Board of Review, USA - Breakthrough Performance, Female - Hilary Swank; Outstanding Directorial Debut - Kimberly Peirce

2000 Independent Spirit Awards - Best Female Lead - Hilary Swank; Best Supporting Female - Chloe Sevigny; nominated for Best First Feature, Best First Screenplay (Kimberly Peirce) and Producers Award (Eva Kolodner)

1999 European Film Awards - Screen International Award - Kimberly Peirce

1999 Chicago International Film Festival - Best Actress - Hilary Swank

1999 Boston Society of Film Critics Awards - Best Actress - Hilary Swank; Best New Filmmaker - Kimberly Peirce; Best Supporting Actress - Chloe Sevigny

1999 London Film Festival - FIPRESCI Prize

1999 Los Angeles Film Critics Association Awards - Best Actress - Hilary Swank; Best Supporting Actress - Chloe Sevigny

1999 New York Film Critics Circle Awards - Best Actress - Hilary Swank

1999 St Louis International Film Festival - Audience Choice Award

1999 Stockholm International Film Festival - Best Actress - Hilary Swank; Best Screenplay - Kimberly Peirce; FIPRESCI Prize

1999 Toronto Film Critics Association Awards - Best Female Performance - Hilary Swank

2000 Young Hollywood Awards - Best Director - Kimberly Peirce; Best Screenwriter - Kimberly Peirce & Andy Bienen

2000 National Society of Film Critics Awards, USA - Best Supporting Actress - Chloe Sevigny

2000 Florida Film Critics Circle Awards - Best Actress - Hilary Swank

2000 Broadcast Film Critics Association Awards - Best Actress - Hilary Swank

2000 Chicago Film Critics Association Awards - Best Actress - Hilary Swank; Best Supporting Actress - Chloe Sevigny

2000 Chlotrudis Awards - Best Actress - Hilary Swank

2000 Las Vegas Film Critics Society Awards - Best Actress - Hilary Swank; Best Director; Best Adapted Screenplay; Best Supporting Actress - Chloe Sevigny; Most Promising Actress - Hilary Swank

2000 Santa Fe Film Critics Circle Awards - Best Actress - Hilary Swank

2000 Satellite Awards - Best Performance by an Actress in a Motion Picture, Drama - Hilary Swank; Best Performance by an Actress in a Supporting Role - Chloe Sevigny

2000 Southeastern Film Critics Association Awards - Best Actress - Hilary Swank

Gusworld (talk) 10:18, 1 April 2008 (UTC)