Talk:Boyd Haley

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This article was nominated for deletion on 11/3/2006. The result of the discussion was no consensus.

Does this article really need to be so one-sided? This biochemist (not a medical doctor) has been making claims about mercury, and has complained on the record about being called a quack. Now that appears notable to me, yet this article whitewashes the gentleman uncritically. What has happened to WP:NPOV? JFW | T@lk 19:37, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

This article does need to be cleaned, but I do not appreciate your condescending tone to the fact that he is a biochemist. I would hate to rant here but the fact that Dr. Haley is not a medical doctor is completely irrelevant. Reguardless to the beliefs of the completley uneducated public who think all important discoveries pertaining to health are made by medical doctors, scientists are those who are responsible for intiiating new treatments and researching their toxcicity. Medical doctors have the primary responsibility of treating the sick with pre-developed techniques. While medical doctors are the defacto emmisaries of public health due to their personal contact, they are by no means the end all authority on human health. We all have our jobs. A biochemist attempting to perform cardiovascular surgery would be an overstep, but a chemist with a toxicology background and a chaired university position making a statement about mercury toxcicity is more within his field than a doctor would be making the same claim. Please get your facts straight on the hard sciences before you make a snap judgment about this man's credentials. Very few of the medical innovations of the past century have been made by medical doctors, and without biochemists we would still have no idea how heritable information gets passed on (i.e., DNA.) Stop assuming phd's are med school drop outs and insulting those who are bettering this country. Now, having attended multiple lectures by this man I should be able to find his references in one of my old binders this weekend, and I will type them out when I find them. Mercury and alzheimers have been linked in several studies. Whether this is definitive has yet to be determined, as it is a complex disease that has many possible causes.I do know that he has credible references, he was the chair of the UK chem department for years, a position that is not doled out to "quacks" as you so elegantly put it. I am not saying he is right on all counts, but that enough research has been done for the consideration to be made. Whiteknight521 (talk) 08:31, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree -- it's a bit of an advertisement. Phrases such as "Haley surmises ...", "Haley suggests ...", and "Haley speculates ... " abound, and yet there are no references for any of these "speculations" and no references to scientific articles anywhere in the article. Without citations, there's no way of knowing if Haley even holds any of the views acribed to him in the article, much less knowing anything about the validity of these claims. Scot ^→Talk 05:36, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

"His research results support the contention that mercury vapor exacerbates Alzheimer's symptoms." Really? Where is the reference? Mercury has well known neurotoxic effects, but that is quite different from Alzheimers. This kind of statement really must be backed up by credible references if it is to survive the cut.Jellytussle 22:19, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Reference 2 Another Thiomersal controversy page 3 a medical (pharmacological) digression on the kidney 4 pretty good description ... 5 Gulf War etc 6 Not about him

[edit] Reference

I added a reference for Hayley's observations about mercury in the hair of children with autism and substituted it for the autism.net link. In addition, the effects of mercury toxicity are quite distinct from Alzheimer's...I don't think the two of them would necessarily be lumped in the same category. Andrew73 13:56, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Another Thiomersal controversy page

So the people named or described here (and if this is to be a biographical page, surely it should only be about one person) are predicting a decrease in Autism starting 2 years after Thiomersal use declined? Shouldn't that be brought out as well? Didn't Thiomersal use decline more than 2 years ago in the US? Midgley 00:12, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] a medical (pharmacological) digression on the kidney

A quote overleaf tells us that mercury is well known for inhibiting the kidney... The first diuretics were Mercurial. We have lots better stuff now, but unless one is ratehr careful to specify what one is talking about in that connection, one is apt to look like a buzzword generator. Midgley 00:28, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] pretty good description ...

"... Haley has produced evidence supporting his hypothesis ..."

The way to do it though, is to produce a hypotheis that explains the evidence. Midgley 20:56, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gulf War etc

The GW bit needs backing up, rather well.

The quote about adults weighing more than beabies should be refernced to where it came from, not where an un-WP:RS version of it sits. Midgley 11:22, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

so ";Quote

A single vaccine given to a six-pound newborn is the equivalent of giving a 180-pound adult 30 vaccinations on the same day. Include in this the toxic effects of high levels of aluminum and formaldehyde contained in some vaccines, and the synergist toxicity could be increased to unknown levels. Further, it is very well known that infants do not produce significant levels of bile or have adult renal capacity for several months after birth. Bilary transport is the major biochemical route by which mercury is removed from the body, and infants cannot do this very well. They also do not possess the renal (kidney) capacity to remove aluminum. Additionally, mercury is a well-known inhibitor of kidney function.www.vaccination.org.uk/v/haley.html ^{[citation needed]}(WP:RS) Boyd Haley"

[edit] Not about him

So shouldn't be in an article declared to be about Boyd Haley, should it...

"Another researcher, Dr. Mady Hornig of Columbia University's Mailman School of Public Health, is testing gold salts on mice specially bred to be susceptible to thimerosal."

Midgley 22:05, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

• I agree. The sentence is irrelevant to Haley and should go. -AED 23:39, 16 April 2006 (UTC)