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Is this term related to German 'Bauer' somehow?
- probably cognate to Dutch boor/boer ("farmer") and French baron.
In the middle-ages, rich farmers made their way into the aristocracy elsewhere in Europe, so it is possible this term was adopted in Russian. — Jor 14:18, Jan 13, 2004 (UTC)
- It might be a connection. But dictionary.com says it's:
- From boiaren, from Russian boyarin, from Old Russian boljarin, from Turkic baylar, pl. of bay, rich; akin to Turkish bay, rich, gentleman.
- http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=boyar
Bogdan | Talk 16:12, 13 Jan 2004 (UTC)
- Thanks. I was wondering about this :) — Jor 19:20, Jan 13, 2004 (UTC)
67.175.166.55 03:00, 7 March 2007 (UTC)In the rapidly-changing economy of contemporary Romania, the boyars' medieval domains were practically converted into colonial plantations.
What does this sentence mean? What is "contemporary Romania"? Contemporary as in 2000, or 18th century, or 19th century? "Colonial plantations"? Whose colonies? Who is the coloniser? I don't get it. 67.175.166.55 03:00, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Boyars Hierarhy
Who will translate it from http://old-rus.narod.ru/zvan.html and http://www.websib.ru/~gardarika/lec/lec4-2.html ? The hierarhy for Russia has Boyare Dumskie (of Duma), Boiare Starshie ("Elder" or Senior), Boyare Men'shie ("Junior" or Minor), Deti Boyarskie ("Childeren" a kind of Gentelman)
[edit] Boieri
I think the "boieri" of Wallachia and Moldavia should be on a different page since the Tatars are claiming this page as their own, a very typical behaviour for them. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.39.125.156 (talk) 23:57, 13 May 2007 (UTC).
[edit] Migration to Ireland?
To anyone with adequate background on the matter (I don't have one) - what is that thing about boyars migrating from Iran to Ireland? Is it my impression or is there a little confusion between boyars and boaires on this page? Aside 23:33, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Boyars lost link
A lost link between Boyars of India and Europe. There was a great migration in Indus valley in 5th BCE . The boyar warrior caste a Kshatriya community was split into many groups took different direction and invaded many regions. By and large there are more similarities in culture and origin . Temple inscription and Religious text also denotes about boyar caste. so we conclude that Boyars are distant cousins of East asia and Russia.
http://asi.nic.in/asi_monu_alphalist_karnataka_dharwad.asp
http://www.geocities.com/~patrin/
http://www.harappa.com/har/har0.html
[edit] Boyars of India
Boyars migrated from Indo-Iran around 5th century BCE to Indian sub-continent and later 9th century to Turkey and Romania. Having Dravidian roots came from indus valley invaded south region . Boyas or Bedars were non other than Vanaras of Kishkinda kingdom of Ramayana times in South India. These were the vanara warriors who were controlled by Sri Rama in the war against Demon Ravana of Srilanka to rescue Sita. Boya and Valmiki are the names in vogue. Boya consider themselves as sons of sardars and descendents of Valmiki. Boyars are mainly found in South India as Hindu Telugu speaking community and non-orthodox kshatriyas. Boyars arrived to Andhra - Orissa region during Indo-Aryan migration around 5th century BCE. Boyar warriors served as military regiment between 10th century to 15th century in Chalukya, Chola, Vijayanagar and Hoysala empires. The Musunuri Nayaks were Boyars and Kamma warrior chieftains in the Kakatiya army, who regained Andhra in 1326 from the Delhi Sultanate in the aftermath of the Kakatiya defeat. King Pratapa Rudra’s Kakatiya kingdom was ably served by seventy five chieftains called Nayaks. The Nayaks who belonged to various agrarian castes such as Boyar, Velama, Kamma, Reddy, Telaga, Balija, etc. were divided by mutual jealousy and rivalry but they are valiant cousins. Rayadurg and Kalyandurg are the two important forts which were ruled by Boya Palegars. The name Kalyandurg came from Kalyanappa, who was a Polygar in the 16th Century. Rayadurg was originally a stronghold of Boyar palegar who were very turbulent during the Vijayanagar rule. Kalyandurg was under the rule of Sri Krishnadevaraya and was a part of Vijayanagara Empire. Boya Palaiyakkarar (Polygar) who was to administrate their Palaiyams (territories) from their Fortified centers. Their chief function was to collect taxes, maintain law and order, run the local judiciary, and maintain a battalion of troops for the Nayak. Later in 17th century distinguished themselves as smiths, sculptors, nobles, leaders, priests, landlords, temple sculptors, arm traders, and sea farers . Boya is considered as oldest caste and origin among many castes in India . Boyars are non-pure Kshatriyas they are called as ' Boya ' in Andhra Pradesh ' Boyar ' in Tamil nadu and in Karnataka as ' Bhovi '. Boya, Boyar, Boyi, Bhovi are the hereditary and clan title. Boyar caste consists many gotras. Boyas worship Tirupati Lord Venkat Ramana, Mariamman, Shiva, Subramanya, etc. Today the estimated population of Boyar community is 15 million spread throughout India and other countries . Comprising State leaders, Administrative officers, Politicians, Entrepreneurs, Industrialists, Financiers, Doctors , Accountants, Lawyers, Professionals, Engineers, Academicians, Businessmen and Traders. A lost link between Boyars of India and Europe. There was a great migration in Indus valley in 5th BCE boyar warrior caste a Kshatriya community was split into many groups took different direction and invaded many regions. By and large there are more similarities in culture and origin . Temple inscription and Religious texts also denotes about boyar caste and origin. so we conclude that Boyars are distant cousins of East asia and Russia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.243.248.182 (talk) 14:12, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
