Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/AfinogenoffBot

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The following discussion is an archived debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. The result of the discussion was Denied.

[edit] AfinogenoffBot

tasks • contribs • count • sul • logs • page moves • block user • block log • flag log • flag bot

Operator: Afinogenoff

-Automatic or Manually Assisted:Automatic

Programming Language(s): Pynton, AWB, Perl.

Function Summary:Addition/Deletion/Replace of categories, cleaning of articles for spelling. Statistics of the project.

Edit period(s) (e.g. Continuous, daily, one time run): 1-12 (UTC), Time per 3 days

Edit rate requested: 30-50 edits per 1-12 (UTC)

'Already has a bot flag Y, on other wiki-projects

Function Details:Addition/Deletion/Replace of categories, cleaning of clauses

--Afinogenoff 11:13, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

Can you explain this further? What do you mean by 'clauses'? --ST47Talk 12:00, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

  • I know language on an average level, therefore I can sometimes be mistaken;) clauses = articles ;) --Afinogenoff 02:46, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: the user has two fresh blocks for sockpuppetry on ru:[1]. He is currently blocked too. On en:, he lacks 500 edits typically required for AWB approval. MaxSem 12:02, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
    Machine translation, Maxim?--Afinogenoff 02:53, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
  • I shall explain, that I was blocked in Russian Wikipedia not for infringements, and at personal will ours checkuser`s, and now on them the claim in arbitration committee for the allowed infringements prepares. I shall break here nothing, I give the sanction to the check. And still I shall notice, that bot will work not only with use AWB, but also both Perl and Pynthon. Best regards, --Afinogenoff 02:53, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
Regarding whether or not the community can trust you enough here is to be seen - what has happened at ru: will almost certainly be taken into account, when we have more details. Furthermore, you really need to give more details of specific tasks you wish to run on what pages. Martinp23 14:42, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
If there are any doubts in sockpupets, check up me. I permit. --Afinogenoff 02:42, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

What type of spelling is the bot going to look for? What categories is it going to alter? --Android Mouse 21:44, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

The work will conduct extremely by the order of the participants - if they need, for example, to replace any categories. Also bot will check spelling on pages and if necessary to correct mistakes.--Afinogenoff 02:41, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Yes, but how will it detect a spelling error? Do you have a list compiled of common spelling mistakes and their corrections? If so, I'd be interested in looking over it. --Android Mouse 03:22, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Is it fair to say that if someone can't even use grammar—or really even English—correctly in their "bot request", they're really not qualified to run a grammar-checking bot? The above paragraph, for example, is almost complete gibberish from where I'm reading. I'm also not exactly confident of someone who drops cyrillic letters in the middle of their messages. —Phil | Talk 08:18, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't mean to be rude and I hope you won't take this the wrong way, but Phil Boswell brings up a very valid point. I'm generally very hesitant to support grammar and/or spellchecking bots as it is but if there are (limited) circumstances under which they are appropriate and helpful, I'd expect the bot operator to have a strong command of the English language. It's quite likely that the bot's edits will be challenged at some point and then it will be necessary for you to give a coherent and cogent argument as to why your (and, yes, that's what it boils down to) edits were correct. That's really the point I'd ask you to consider: if you don't positively know that X is wrong and Y is right (where, at least in the English language, oftentimes there aren't any absolutes in terms of correct vs. incorrect usage), would you personally feel comfortable insisting that it is so? -- S up? 13:25, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Bot will work generally with inquiries from the concrete participants, besides it there will be a work on fixing of the bad references and correction of typing errors with the help RegexTypoFix/ Therefore special knowledge of language is not necessary for me at work with the robot.--Afinogenoff 02:27, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Well, we're going to have to disagree on that point, then. My concern still stands though. Please note that the RegExTypoFix set should never be used without a human verifying the edits. . -- S up? 11:11, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
I understand the responsibility for perfect bot's work. The certain difficulties here me are represented by that bot is not brought in Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/CheckPage . --Afinogenoff 03:26, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
A perfect example of invalid use of AWB. The diff you provided is an example of edit that should'n be made, it's absolutely pointless. What was the purpose of moving <br> to separate lines? MaxSem 07:13, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
It was the test run bot in one of wikiprojects. More serious work further is planned.--Afinogenoff 03:22, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong oppose. This user is NOT to be trusted as a bot owner: in ru.wikipedia he is known as a mass sockpuppeteer, a liar, a frequent personal attacker, a troll which frequently "advocates" for other trolls when they get caught on checkuser or get blocked for any reason. In English Wikipedia, I bet, he could easily get indefblocked for that, but in ru.wikipedia we generally are more "tolerant" to such behavior (sadly). He also does not know English well, as you all might see from his answers. And last, but not least: in ru.history project on Wikia, where he was a founder and a bureaucrat, he abused his bot account, giving this account a "sysop" and using the bot account for blocking users. And the bot rights, as well as bureaucrat and sysop rights, were withdrawn by Wikia staff. rombik 03:39, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
    User innactivle in this wiki most 55 days. --Afinogenoff 03:13, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Further note: Afinogenoff has been indefinitely blocked on ru: for abusive sockpuppetry. MaxSem 13:16, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
    Let will prove, then something speak. --Afinogenoff 03:14, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Sockpuppets is not present and will not be. Check though everyone 3 days. I shall requst about check, that nobody had of doubts on the account me.--Afinogenoff 03:20, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
  • The requst for check is sent.--Afinogenoff 03:27, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Denied. Given your record on other wikis, I feel it is necessary to deny this request. —METS501 (talk) 14:49, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

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