Talk:Boston terrier

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An adorable puppy. It would be lovely to have one of her when she grows up too :) -- sannse (talk) 18:36, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] Positive & negative

I beleive it is important to state both positive and negative traits in any breed of dog.I am a breeder and hear all too often about issues people have with their new pups because they were told only the positive things and not about some of the bad traits that could come out.A dog is an animal it is subject to animal behavioral traits.-- Patrikkennel (talk)Sept 2,2004

I agree! As long as it's done in a NPOV manner (not, e.g., as in "these are stupid dogs" or "this is an ugly breed" :-) ). We want to present the facts. As a breeder, you probably know a bunch of stuff about this breed in general; I'd be glad to see it. Elf | Talk 19:54, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Breed Description and "Fair Use"

The description given for the boston terrier is not very definitive. I am curious, does using the AKC standard (i.e. The AKC standard describes the Boston Terrier as a "a lively, highly intelligent, smooth coated, short-headed, ....")) to describe this breed constitute "Fair Use" (I assume the AKC breed standards are copyrighted).

I acknowledge that the AKC does not have the only standard for various breeds, but since the Boston is the first original American (i.e. USA) breed, it seems to be the most reasonable and authoritative source for a description.

What we've ("we" meaning some random people editing dog breed articles) tried to do with other breeds is to take a look at all the standards and come up with a general description in our own words, that way there's no issue of copyright and we also give a better worldwide view of the dog (so it's not specific to a single country). When there are notable variations among the different standards, we usually just add a statement to the effect that "xxx varies among the different kennel club standards". Elf | Talk 03:50, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bug

Please verify the article Bug (dog breed) contributed by an anot not long time ago. mikka (t) 01:46, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Why remove the "Originally bred for dogfighting"?

Re the change on 01/02/2006, I agree that Boston's have been, and continue to be, bred for companionship (the ultimate companions IMHO), but it is also true that they were originally bred for dog-fighting. This history is no longer included in the current article. Since changes in Wiki typically should not redact existing information, the current trend should have been added later in the paragraph or the dog-fighting comment should have been moved to the History section (perhaps a better choice).


[edit] Temperment Section Source??

Can anyone verify the source of the temperment section? During my initial online research of this breed I came accross this exact paragraph at the following link: dogbreedinfo.com. Drogin 14:03, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

good catch - someone replaced the temperament section with text from that site on the 2nd. I reverted that persons change. - Trysha (talk) 19:10, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Health

In the health section when the breathing problem is discussed, the author is describing an inverted sneeze... you shoud NOT cover the nose to make a Boston breathe through its mouth, the best thing to do is to stroke its neck or head and soothe the dog by talking quietyly so it will calm down. Getting excited yourself or forcing the dog to try and breathe another way will only exacerbate the problem!

I agree and I just changed it and added a reference. --Joelmills 01:41, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

I updated this to be NPOV and factual only. Medical issues or behavioral issues should be discussed between the owner and ones vet, not obtained through advice of Wiki. Alexkraegen (talk) 23:33, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Separating the Appearance into smaller paragraphs.

I believe that separating the Appearance paragraphs into smaller paragraphs or sentences hurts readability. Any other opinions?

Full disclosure: I wrote the original paragraphs that were changed prior to creating an account. Lightning91 04:27, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] An External link about Boston Terriers

I recently added a link to the Boston Terrier page which I thought was very relevant and useful. However it was deleted and I was asked to discuss it before submitting it. I think it is a very useful link full of valid, correct and interesting information on the breed. Let me know what you think. Can I put it on the page?

Great Information on Boston Terriers


Mrmoocole 11:45, 26 February 2007 (UTC)


i dont see why it shouldnt be, it helped me to gather relevant useful information on my dog winston ( a boston terrier)

--Emiliedock123 18:45, 26 February 2007 (UTC)


Thanks im glad I could help. I will add the link then. Anyone who has any objections are welcome to contact me.


Mrmoocole 21:04, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Origination

(moved from above)

Atention: The Boston Terrier, is named after the place Boston in Lincolnshire, England.....the dog does not come from Boston America.. someone please change it!!

I couldn't find anything online supporting that assertion, and my Encyclopedia of the Dog supports a North American origination. --Joelmills 01:41, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GALLERY DELETED

New born Boston Terrier(November 2006).

8 day old Boston Terrier(December 2006).

Young Boston Terrier pup with black coat and white markings

7 week old Boston Terrier puppies (January 2007).

Black and Brindle Boston Terrier pup, 6 months, 9lbs

14 month-old Boston Terrier; 10 lb

Two year old male
Boston Terrier, 26lbs.

13 year old Boston Terrier after cataract surgery

I've relocated this image gallery into the talk section for possible future use with this article. I've read over the WikiProject Dogs and I don't understand why Galleries are being deleted. It's only a matter of time before the Boston Terrier article gets new images and starts to look cluttered again. For the period of time this article had an image gallery...the page itself remained somewhat stable...
v/r
Peter Rimar Chitrapa 12:41, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

The main policy supporting the deletion of galleries from the dog breed pages (something done on a category-wide scale, and not arbitrarily to one page or another) is WP:What Wikipedia is not specifically the reference to images. The applicable interpretation of the policy would be Wikipedia is not a gallery for images of your pets. For a single thing (such as a dog) a gallery isn't necessary and creates a problem. For something such as an artist with a canon of work, or a city/geographical region with many notable features the gallery is a good way to showcase these outside text insertion. In dog breed pages (i.e. just one animal) having a gallery invites users to post pictures (often of their personal pets) without considering encyclopedic merit. In other words, we will always be policing dog pages when it comes to excessive images, but having galleries invites contributions that are to be discouraged. Making the article stable by allowing a gallery that violates policy is not a solution. Tolerating unencylopedic content in one area to cleanup another is unacceptable. Also, I only deleted galleries that did not have encyclopedic merit, I left a few limited galleries that were within text sections and had a clear scope. Such as a gallery showing the different breed standards for color or size which helped the text, had a clear limit to how much they could be expanded and did not aesthetically interrupt the article. All "Gallery" sections without encyclopedic content (such as the above) were deleted. VanTucky 18:52, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Terrier or terrier

Is the breeds name spelt with a capital or lower t in terrier? The article is named Boston terrier, with a lower t, but a capital T is used fairly consistently throughout the article. Which is it? Jerazol 06:09, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Per the AKC page it is Terrier with a T (capital T). We should probably standardize on one format for the article. http://www.akc.org/breeds/boston_terrier/index.cfm is the page referenced. Alexkraegen (talk) 23:37, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Q on that dogfighting thing

From article: "The Boston Terrier breed originated around 1870, when Robert C. Hooper of Boston purchased a dog known as Hooper's Judge...Judge's specific lineage is unknown..." (then there is a lot of speculation, despite the fact that it says "unknown.")

Is there citable evidence that Hooper's Judge or any of his get were used for dogfighting? If not, the article should not say "originally bred for fighting..."

Bulldogs were kept for fighting; some types of bulldogs were crossed with terriers and some of those were used for fighting. (And some became pets of Queen Victoria of England, and then were bred as fashionable pets.) So somewhere, before the breed of Boston Terrier originated, some dogs were used for dogfighting. Maybe or maybe not a distant ancestor of the Boston Bull Terrier.

What needs to be cited is evidence that Hooper's Judge (as the first of the breed) was used in dog fights.

And the Boston Terrier certainly isn't a fighting dog NOW, so why is it linked as to "Dog fighting breeds"?

Hafwyn (talk) 23:11, 31 March 2008 (UTC)