Talk:Bosnian Genocide
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[edit] Change title
Hi, I would propose changing the title of the article from capital Genocide to genocide with a small g since I don't think it's a proper noun (or whatever a noun that's a proper name is called in English).Osli73 (talk) 12:20, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
- Actually it's a title for an event and correct grammatically. Geoff Plourde (talk) 18:36, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Proposed changes to the lead, March 2008
I have reverted changes to the lead, as I think that the current compromise is better than the editions that user:The Dragon of Bosnia (TDoB) had made in the last 24 hours. The reason for this is that the lead now consists of three paragraphs. The first is a description of what the term may refer to. The second and third give a brief balanced overview of the two views on the concept of a general Bosnian Genocide.
I think the balance and the English used is better that the English used in the TDoB version. I have asked in the history of the article that the changes by TDoB be discussed here and agreed before major changes are made to the article. --Philip Baird Shearer (talk) 14:47, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Protection
2 things? 1. Why protection for God's sake? 2. This is all but balanced version! Grandy Grandy (talk) 20:51, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Commited by individuals
I reverted the edit "202.175.90.250 (concept of individual/s responsibility from the Statute of ICTY)" For two reasons:
134: As has been demonstrated, all that the evidence can establish is that Krstic was aware of the intent to commit genocide on the part of some members of the VRS Main Staff, and with that knowledge, he did nothing to prevent the use of Drina Corps personnel and resources to facilitate those killings. This knowledge on his part alone cannot support an inference of genocidal intent. Genocide is one of the worst crimes known to humankind, and its gravity is reflected in the stringent requirement of specific intent. Convictions for genocide can be entered only where that intent has been unequivocally established. There was a demonstrable failure by the Trial Chamber to supply adequate proof that Radislav Krstic possessed the genocidal intent. Krstic, therefore, is not guilty of genocide as a principal perpetrator.
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137: As has been found above, it was reasonable for the Trial Chamber to conclude that, at least from 15 July 1995, Radislav Krstic had knowledge of the genocidal intent of some of the Members of the VRS Main Staff. Radislav Krstic was aware that the Main Staff had insufficient resources of its own to carry out the executions and that, without the use of Drina Corps resources, the Main Staff would not have been able to implement its genocidal plan. Krstic knew that by allowing Drina Corps resources to be used he was making a substantial contribution to the execution of the Bosnian Muslim prisoners. Although the evidence suggests that Radislav Krstic was not a supporter of that plan, as Commander of the Drina Corps he permitted the Main Staff to call upon Drina Corps resources and to employ those resources. The criminal liability of Krstic is therefore more properly expressed as that of an aider and abettor to genocide, and not as that of a perpetrator. This charge is fairly encompassed by the indictment, which alleged that Radislav Krstic aided and abetted in the planning, preparation or execution of genocide against the Bosnian Muslims in Srebrenica. [My emphasise and footnotes removed]
One can not be an aider and abettor to genocide unless a genocide was committed by others.
Reason 2 The sentence changed in the article was "To date only the Srebrenica massacre has been found to be an act of genocide by the ICTY, a finding upheld by the ICJ." to "To date only the Srebrenica massacre has been found to be an act of genocide commited by individuals accoriding to the ICTY, a finding upheld by the ICJ". Implies that the ICJ also found genocide only be individuals but the ICJ did not find that what it found was:
quoting the findings in the Krstić case, in which the Appeals Chamber endorsed the findings of the Trial Chamber in the following terms:
- "In this case, having identified the protected group as the national group of Bosnian Muslims, the Trial Chamber concluded that the part the VRS Main Staff and Radislav Krstić targeted was the Bosnian Muslims of Srebrenica, or the Bosnian Muslims of Eastern Bosnia. This conclusion comports with the guidelines outlined above. The size of the Bosnian Muslim population in Srebrenica prior to its capture by the VRS forces in 1995 amounted to approximately forty thousand people. This represented not only the Muslim inhabitants of the Srebrenica municipality but also many Muslim refugees from the surrounding region. Although this population constituted only a small percentage of the overall Muslim population of Bosnia and Herzegovina at the time, the importance of the Muslim community of Srebrenica is not captured solely by its size." [My Emphasise]
The [ICJ] sees no reason to disagree with the concordant findings of the Trial Chamber and the Appeals Chamber.
"the VRS Main Staff" is not an individual.--Philip Baird Shearer (talk) 14:41, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
