Talk:Border War (Kansas vs Missouri)
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<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Lupin/navpop.css&action=raw&ctype=text/css&dontcountme=s">It should still be called the "Border War" because it really does refer to a War that went on between Kansas and Missouri during the Civil War. I don't really know anyone who says "Showdown" even though that may be the "offical name." It really has changed in local vonacual.
Both schools have requested that it be called the Border Showdown, and that is its official name. I'm going to change the article to reflect this. Zkissane 18:18, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
- The Border Showdown is its official name, it should be left at that. Perhaps a section on origins can elaborate on naming.Grey Wanderer | Talk 23:20, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
The Kansas City Star has a complete section on the "KU-MU: The Border War" its still called the border war in Kansas City.
http://www.kansascity.com/borderwar/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.87.118.11 (talk) 15:07, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
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- More importantly, the naming scheme of this series and the Red River Shootout needs to match. Both have traditional names still in overwhelming popular use, and newer PC names adopted recently. There is precedent to keep them at their traditional names, so I advocate moving this article to Border War. Remember, Wikipedia is not bound to use "official" names, it should use the most common actual name, if one exists. --Xyzzyva (talk) 18:44, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
In light of the last comment, I'm now neutral, if someone wants to spearhead this, then I'm all for it, just make sure to fix all the links.Grey Wanderer | Talk 21:40, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
- It needs to be titled as Border War. While Border Showdown is the official name as it relates to the corporate sponsorship, such a sponsorship and decision by a few individuals in recent years cannot automatically change the name of the rivalry as it has been, and continues to be, designated by the fans, alumni, and players from both schools. This is echoed by the fact that the general public has not recognized such a change. BlueGold73 (talk) 01:14, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
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- Whereas we shouldn't make light of war (such as athletes comparing what they do on the field or court to an actual battlefield where lives are lost) this really does stem from an ACTUAL war... the CIVIL WAR. It is politically correct to call it a "Showdown". But the rivalry between the two schools is a reminder of an ugly thing that happened in US history, and that when we, KU and MU, play each other, we are reminded of that way things were, and we are grateful for the way things are now. Calling it a showdown removes the historical weight from the games. And it is a bit of irony that the border raids have last this long, and no one (execpt Pride) is getting hurt. There is irony there that we finally have a peaceful war. And WAR has like 4 different meanings in the dictionary, it's not definition #1 (armed conflict) but it's like #3 or so, (competitive hostility). (I may have just contradicted my first sentences). That's just my opinion. thanks! :-) ROCK CHALK! (oops.. that's not NPOV...) Moonraker0022 (talk) 21:33, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
- I'm glad to hear this opinion echoed from the other side of the line as well. Thanks for your input I couldn't agree more. I tried to mention the fact that the rivalry helped to aid the two states in healing the relations with one another after the actual war (armed conflict). It was mentioned a lot in something I read about the early days of the rivalry, but I haven't been able to find the source lately. I'll expand those comments once I locate it. M-I-Z... (oops.. that's not NPOV either...) BlueGold73 (talk) 03:59, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
- Whereas we shouldn't make light of war (such as athletes comparing what they do on the field or court to an actual battlefield where lives are lost) this really does stem from an ACTUAL war... the CIVIL WAR. It is politically correct to call it a "Showdown". But the rivalry between the two schools is a reminder of an ugly thing that happened in US history, and that when we, KU and MU, play each other, we are reminded of that way things were, and we are grateful for the way things are now. Calling it a showdown removes the historical weight from the games. And it is a bit of irony that the border raids have last this long, and no one (execpt Pride) is getting hurt. There is irony there that we finally have a peaceful war. And WAR has like 4 different meanings in the dictionary, it's not definition #1 (armed conflict) but it's like #3 or so, (competitive hostility). (I may have just contradicted my first sentences). That's just my opinion. thanks! :-) ROCK CHALK! (oops.. that's not NPOV...) Moonraker0022 (talk) 21:33, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Neutrality
One of Wikipedia's main tenants is neutrality - "All Wikipedia articles and other encyclopedic content must be written from a neutral point of view, representing views fairly, proportionately and without bias." This article is skewed in favor of Missouri.--Patrick l raftery (talk) 19:21, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
- I attempted to address some of your concerns, check it out. Grey Wanderer | Talk 23:20, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
- Ok ... that is better.--Patrick l raftery (talk) 17:41, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, I think there is still some bias in the football and basketball sections. Football seems a little pro Missouri and basketball seems a little pro Kansas. Also there are all sorts of POV wording in those sections "Kansas crushes Missouri" of "Missouri destroys Kansas". That sort of thing, I think it can be cleaned up pretty easily it will just take some time.Grey Wanderer | Talk 17:55, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Marching Band Drum Trophy?
The Big 12 Conference article says the trophy in the border showdown is the "Marching Band Drum." I have not heard of it off hand. If it is indeed the trophy it should be mentioned in the article along with a citation (I can't find it on google). Americasroof 16:11, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
- According to the MU athletics website, the "Indian War Drum" is "issued to the winner of the Missouri-Kansas football game." I'm updating the article to reflect the correct name of the trophy. BlueGold73 (talk) 23:21, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
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- It is a marching band bass drum. One side has the KU logo, the other has the MU logo. It may stem from an ancient Indian drum, but it is in fact an actual modern marching bass drum that gets passed. You'll see it every now and again in between commercials during football games. Moonraker0022 (talk) 21:33, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Move
- Oppose move proposed on WP:RM, which doesn't have discussion page here. This is unambiguous as well as current official name. Gene Nygaard (talk) 19:09, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
