Talk:Bonanno crime family

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I thought this deserved a bit of tidying up so...I did so. C i d 12:46, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 Current Don? 2 Huge clean-up needed 3 Verify: Narcotics 4 Disputed 5 Reverted to previous version 6 Removals

[edit] Current Don?

Is there any factual evidence suggesting that "Michael Mancuso" is the current Don? What is this statement based on?--203.173.176.212 05:52, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Good point - a news report naming the current boss of the Gamino family appeared three days after you questioned that point so I have posted that alongside what had best be termed an allegation. If further news arises I shall edit again. C i d 13:15, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

I read in the daily news today the new Don is a Sicilian immigrant named Joe Montagno, from Castellamere67.87.66.254 02:04, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Huge clean-up needed

This article has been destroyed in terms of style and grammar. The spacing is all wrong with missing spaces after commas and periods, there are spelling mistakes, and the writer has decided to link every name on the page instead of just the first instance of it as is the norm. I am in two minds as to whether to revert the recent edits as some of the new information is interesting enough, but has taken on a problematical POV slant. If the writer, Little Joe Shots, could please contact me on my talk page with regards to how best to fix this I would be very grateful - if I don't here from the writer I will set about fixing it in a few days. C i d (Talk) 11:30, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Verify: Narcotics

The article says: "The main topic of discussion (at the Hotel des Palmes meeting in 1957) between the Bosses was to determine whether or not the North American and Italian Families would begin joint narcotics operations. This was the beginning of the one the biggest heroin and cocaine manufacturing and distribution networks ever set up."

Narcotics, or to be more precise, heroin was smuggled to the US from Sicily (and Marseilles) before the talks of Bonanno and Sicilian mafiosi. It is incorrect to say "whether or not to begin joint narcotics operations" because there were already several joint heroin trafficking operations. Maybe some restructuring has been discussed - but we don't know. Moreover, heroin trafficking was not organised top down by any Mafia Commission, but rather bottom up by traffickers in Mafia families who relied on protection from the family. The article relies too much on the book Octopus by Claire Sterling, which is considered not very reliable by many academics. I quote:

(...) the works of the late Claire Sterling. She achieved a degree of fame by peddling nonsense about a global cartel of terrorist groups taking their marching orders from Moscow (1981), and as perestroika killed the market for anti-Communist hyperbole she deftly switched to portraying the Sicilian Mafia as the new alien threat to Judeo-Christian Civilization (1990). Then, with the fall of Communism and the disintegration of the Soviet Union, the new theme became the rise of a Russian Mafia made up of black-marketeers, ex-KGB agents and old apparachniks in league with Colombian "cartels" and Mafia families to carve up the whole world into criminal spheres of influence (1994). [1] Mafia Expert 16:00, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Furthermore, the article claims that "This was the beginning of the one the biggest heroin manufacturing and distribution networks ever set up", and "Joseph Bonanno was the father of a future narcotics epidemic that still exists today due to his efforts in Palermo, Sicily and Montreal, Canada" without any references. Seems to me this is the personal opinion of one of the writers and does not fit the verifiability standards WP:VERIFY. Mafia Expert 12:29, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Disputed

This article is incomprehensible. Too many unreliable details. It is very personal interpretation by one contributor who is claiming facts from sources that are nowhere to be found in those sources. I changed it from "verify" to "disputed". If reliable references are not added I recommend this article to be reverted to the version before it has been trashed. -Mafia Expert 17:51, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Just to give an example: the revelations of Tommaso Buscetta to judge Giovanni Falcone are given as a reference for the so-called 1957 Palermo summit between the US and Sicilian Mafia to set up one of "the biggest heroin and cocaine manufacturing and distribution networks ever." According to Buscetta the so-called "summit" never took place !!! -- Mafia Expert 13:09, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reverted to previous version

Folowing a number of messages left for the individual who had been repeatedly editing this page in a fashion incompatible with Wikipedia standards - messages that have not been responded to - I have reverted this to a previous version to remove a massive number of dubious, unverified and disputed comments. I have been in contact with Mafia Expert about this and it's been agreed that this is the way to go given that Little Joe Shots has not replied. If this is disputed then I will move to take a vote on this discussion page about whether we stay with the version I have reverted it to, or allow Little Joe Shots' edits to stand. C i d (Talk) 12:08, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree with reverting it to the previous version. The article, as edited by Little Joe Shots, had become incomprehensible and was loaded with too much names and unreferenced details. -- Mafia Expert 10:41, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removals

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