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Article milestones Date Process Result February 27, 2007 Peer review Reviewed February 28, 2008 Good article nominee Not listed May 9, 2008 Good article nominee Listed Current Status: Good article

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Contents 1 Bon version of Back in Black? 2 F word? 3 Bon's Version 4 Back in Black album lyrics 5 French? 6 Prison time 7 picture 8 Fraternity albums 9 Vulgarity 10 Accidental Deaths 11 Death 12 External Links 13 Progressive Rock?? 14 GA review 15 Failed "good article" nomination 16 This article is internally inconsistent 17 bon scott death 18 Alcoholism 19 Fair use 20 Bon Died of Choking 21 Another Tribute CD 22 Bon Scott is from SCOTLAND!!!! 23 His reported age surely has to be wrong

[edit] Bon version of Back in Black?

Can anyone verify if the version of "Back in Black" thats going around purportedly being the original sung by Bon Scott is real? The song was released so close after his death and the voice sounds like an amalgamation of Bon Scott and Brian Johnson.

-- It's a version by British tribute act Live/Wire.

Likely, the version sung by Joe Lynn Turner which was released on a tribute to AC/DC album called "Thunderbolt". NCC17 19:35, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

I thought it was Bon, but after listening to it again, I think it's probably NOT him. The only evidence I can contribute is that it was recorded sometime before Nov. 2, 2002 (the date I found it) Jameywiki 15:32, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] F word?

I was listening to this song once, and I suspect this song used the F word in the line "I'm beating the ", Lyricsfreak,com claims tha word they say is "flack{", can anyone tell me how good a source Lyricsfreak.com is? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.3.2.130 (talk) 23:57, 2 May 2007 (UTC).

Removed this:

• "Back in Black" is also used as the theme for Lewis Black's section on "The Daily Show".

Since the Back In Black section on "The Daily Show" uses a soundalike, not the actual AC/DC song.

[edit] Bon's Version

Has anyone ever heard the Bon Scott version of this song? I dont know when the song was written, but it was obviously sometime before Feb. 19, 1980. Jameywiki 15:15, 26 September 2007 (UTC) I take that statement back. After giving it a critical listen, I think its a good possibility that it is not Bon singing, but maybe a cover band. See the discussion at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bon_Scott Jameywiki 15:32, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

-I thought I have the Bon Scott version- it certainly sounds like him. I thought Bon had already started some of the songs on back in black when he died. Didn't he write the song back in black? It is in my opinion better than the album version- the album version is just a cover version of a Bon song?

[edit] Back in Black album lyrics

Here's a good question. Did Angus and Malcolm Young use ANY of Bon Scott's lyrics for the album Back in Black?...Personally I don't think so but there is some evidence. Such as the double entendres that Scott loved to use so much on the tracks "You Shook Me All Night Long" and "Let Me Put my Love into You."

[edit] French?

I doubt very much that Bon was well versed in French, as the trivia section states. In the "Let There be Rock" concert film (filmed in Paris), he can be heard making a stage announcement in French which is rudimentary at best. In fact, he only utters two or three words, and badly. Doesn't sound like a French speaker to me.

[edit] Prison time

This guy is listed on the Fremantle Prison page as having served time there. Can anyone confirm this? jmd 00:34, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure this was mentioned in the Bon Scott biography written by Clinton Walker, so yes. --Zaknrfama 20:38, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

• • I just wonder then, for what it was that he was interned. The article mentions that he was charged with possession of marijauana, but I doubt anyone would get a prison term for that. jmd

He stole some petrol and a few other assorted items. NCC17 19:31, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

He also lied to police about his address and gave a false alibis. Captanpluto123 06:20, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] picture

how about a picture?

some googling finds.. http://www.tattoos-by-design.co.uk/Celebrities/images/acdc3.jpg

[edit] Fraternity albums

"My Old Man's A Groovy Old Man" was not a Fraternity album, but a Valentines song. Fraternity's albums were "Livestock" and "Flaming Galah". Bretonbanquet 00:17, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vulgarity

When it lists his crimes, it claims " For unlawful carnal knowledge" , ala Van Halen. album name

This seems absurd. Is it?

See Carnal knowledge. Unlawful relates to the fact that he was at the time underage.Ghostieguide 01:05, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Accidental Deaths

Should Bon be added to the "Accidental Deaths" Wikipedia category? Wwwhhh 07:21, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

You got my vote —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.244.187.115 (talk) 15:26, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Death

I've heard two ways that Bon Scott died: Alcohol poisoning and choking to death. There are a lot of sources, and I can't really find one that would be definitively correct. I know he has a biography, so I think that would be the best place to look if anyone wants to.

Check his death certificate, he died of alcohol poisoning. http://alcoholism.about.com/cs/basics/g/acute.htm Captanpluto123 06:31, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] External Links

Any editing of the external links should be discussed on this talk page. Anonymous edits will be reported as vandals.NCC17 20:19, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

• [www.accadacca.net/index.html Profile page by Albert Music]
• [www.atlanticrecords.com/acdc/ Profile page by Atlantic Records]
• [www.acdcrocks.com/ Profile page by Epic Records]
• [www.groups.yahoo.com/group/bonscott Bon Scott Club]
• [www.bonscott.com.au Western Australian Bon Scott Fan Club]
• [www.bonscott.rocks.it/ Jeff's "Bon Scott" Fan site]

[edit] Progressive Rock??

In the Background Information box under Genre(s) it lists Progressive Rock in addition to Hard Rock and Rock & Roll. I have been a ProgRock enthusiast for many years and have never thought Bon Scott or AC/DC to be Prog in any relevant sense. Does anyone have any evidence as to why Bon Scott would be included in the ProgRock genre? This is not to criticize Bon Scott, it is merely to state that I've heard no evidence that he had done any significant quantity of Prog, if any at all. 75.14.27.80 16:11, 2 January 2007 (UTC)JAC

Hi, before joining AC/DC, Scott played drums and sung in a few bands, one of these is the prog rock band Fraternity. Check out these links:

• [1] "Immediately after the split of The Valentines in early 1970, Bon changed tack and joined the Adelaide-based progressive rock band Fraternity, who won the 1971 Hoadley's Battle of the Sounds. Fraternity are best remembered for their version of the classic Blackfeather track "Seasons Of Change."
• [2] "A stint fronting Sydney prog / blues band Fraternity for two albums and an ill fated English tour was last port of call prior to fielding the call to audition for AC/DC."

Cheers. No-Bullet (Talk • Contribs) 23:02, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I would agree that Fraternity were Prog - a quick listen to "Livestock" and it's clear. It might have just been a phase, but for a few years in the early 70s, Bon was certainly associated with what we now call Prog Rock. Bretonbanquet 23:42, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm not trying to be nit-picky here, but fraternity was really more psychedelic rock than prog rock. Prog rock is stuff like jethro tull and yes; psychedelic rock is more like pink floyd and the beetles. I havent changed this yet but if no one disagrees i will change it in a few days. 72.147.107.179 21:38, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

I disagree, I don't think Fraternity were very psychedelic at all, not compared to the the likes of Pink Floyd. Plus we have sources to state prog rock and nothing for psychedelic rock. Bretonbanquet 00:44, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA review

Apologies, but I'm going to have to fail the article until some concerns are addressed.

1. There are quite a few commas where seperate sentences could exist. ie. "In this period, Scott started singing in a band named Mount Lofty Rangers, which was formed by other ex-Fraternity members, however, after leaving a rehearsal with Mount Lofty Rangers, Scott got into a motorcycle accident, suffered serious injuries and subsequently left the band." Looking through the article, there are a LOT of commas, and some of those could easily be gotten rid of.
   • I've given it a fairly thorough copyedit for grammar etc and think most of those concerns are now dealt with. if someone else could do the same that'd be good. —Moondyne 08:36, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
2. The lead needs some cleanup. It seems choppy.
   • Fixed, much better. —Moondyne 08:36, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
3. I don't think there is any need to have album years in brackets after teir names, ie. "albums Let There Be Rock (1977) and Powerage (1978)"
   • Done. —Moondyne 08:36, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
4. Correct me if I'm wrong, but is the discography section really needed? If it was solo work, then I'd understand, but it all seems to just be information that can easily be found in the AC/DC or other group articles. I checked some other musician GAs and none of them have similar sections.
   • It's been removed. —Moondyne 08:36, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
5. In many cases, the article shifts over to being more of an AC/DC bio as opposed to Bon Scott bio, ie. "In the following years, AC/DC gained further success with their albums Let There Be Rock (1977) and Powerage (1978). The 1978 release of Powerage marked the debut of bassist Cliff Williams (who had replaced Mark Evans), and with its harder riffs, followed the blueprint set by Let There Be Rock." and "Within a few months, Currenti was replaced by Phil Rudd and Mark Evans was hired as a permanent bassist, and AC/DC began recording their second album, T.N.T., which was released in Australia in December 1975."
   • Fair comment. It's now more balanced, IMO, with some more personal detail added. —Moondyne 08:36, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
6. Perhaps an influences section? Bon Scott was a pretty influential musician and I'm sure there have been some artists who credited him in an interview.
   • Not done, but could be if someone can find some sources. In my readings I've not seen anything that could be used, else we get into WP:OR. I don't see it as a dealbreaker though. —Moondyne 08:36, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
7. In some cases, there is too much detail and facts seem NN, ie. "Bonfire also included a colour booklet, but the US version included a two-sided poster, a sticker, a temporary tattoo, a keychain bottle opener, and a guitar pick."
   • Gone. —Moondyne 08:36, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry but I have to fail the article for the time being. I'm a huge AC/DC fan and I'dlove to see this article hit GA status. The prose needs some cleaning and I am willing to help, but doing so would mean that I couldn't re-review the article. -- Scorpion 18:05, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Excellent review and suggestions. I think a number of these concerns have now been addressed by others before me as well as some I've just picked up. I've refactored Scorpion0422's suggestions above slightly with responses. If there's no objections or responses to my comments, I suggest resubmitting as a GAC in a week or so. —Moondyne 08:36, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Article is now renominated at GAC. —Moondyne 02:02, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Failed "good article" nomination

This article failed good article nomination. This is how the article, as of May 9, 2007, compares against the six good article criteria:

1. Well written?: Pass

2. Factually accurate?: Fail The entire opening introduction is unsourced

3. Broad in coverage?: Pass

4. Neutral point of view?: Pass

5. Article stability? Pass

6. Images?: Satisfactory Fair use rationales could be more detailed, but they're satisfactory.

When these issues are addressed, the article can be resubmitted for consideration. If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it to a GA review. Thank you for your work so far. — The Sunshine Man 11:55, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

It seems to me that this is an exceedingly strange reason to fail it. Are you aware that there are a very great many Wikipedians who take the view that the introduction, which is merely a summary of the article and should not introduce any material not covered elsewhere, ought not to have references? - the idea being that the sources support the article proper, and the article proper supports the introductory summary. I believe that the vast majority of Featured Articles do not source their introductions, and I know for a fact that the four FAs I wrote don't do so. Hesperian 12:28, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Indeed. All of the information in the lead was expanded and fully referenced further into the article. To fail on factual accuracy seems a bit odd, as I would assume this (non-)requirement was for where a specific fact was found to be misstated rather than a trivial issue of style. But the criticism is understood and was quite easily fixed with a few minutes of editing. Perhaps the reviewer may wish to reconsider it now. —Moondyne 14:01, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes but the GA criteria says it must be accurate and referenced, which this is not, I'll take a look now and re-consider the failed GA depending on whether it fully meets he criteria, I'll take a look now.....The Sunshine Man 14:53, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

OK, its been improved and is now referenced so that meets the criteria, I cannot see any improvements to the image descriptions but they are satisfactory and would pass. So I am passing the article as a good article and will list it under the categories here, thanks to all of the contributors and its excellent how you made the improvements so quickly.The Sunshine Man 14:58, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] This article is internally inconsistent

In the introductory paragraph, it's stated that he died from choking on his vomit, but in the "Death' section, it's stated that contrary to popular belief, he did not die from choking on his vomit. Regardless of which statement is factual, the article must be internally consistent. 68.45.106.216 23:09, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] bon scott death

I read in "highway to hell, the life and times of bon scott" that he was cremated? The article states burial (I know you can bury ashes) but that was not the impression I got. Cameron

[edit] Alcoholism

If Scott was a heavy drinker or an alcoholic then the article should state this. It is relevant to his biography, his cause of death, and also in relation to the periods of alcoholism of Malcolm Young and Phil Rudd, and to Angus Young's teetotalism.

Currently the article reads: "On February 19, 1980, Bon Scott passed out after a night of routine partying in a Camden club now known as KOKO London, and was left in a car owned by an acquaintance of his named Alistair Kinnear." Firstly, if there is no previous mention of his heavy drinking then the phrase "routine partying" lacks context, and is also vague. This needs improving. Secondly, if the name of the club is relevant then the article should include the 1980 name, and perhaps the current name. --Design 12:22, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use

I have added {{subst:nrd}} to Image:BonScott-February9-80.jpg. It needs a fair use rationale ASAP, and I'm surprised it passed GA in this state. Giggy _U^CP 01:51, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bon Died of Choking

Last I checked Bon Scott died of Choking on vomit, not by alcohol poisoning. You can even look up interviews with the band and they will tell you. The English press made up the alcohol poisoning story. ZrACDC (talk) 16:17, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Another Tribute CD

Bon Apetite is another tribute cd for Bon Scott of AC/DC, I belive it contains some or at least one song "TNT" and interviews,I don't have a source but you can see it as it's on their profile on Rhapsody listed in the "Other Album" section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.25.175.188 (talk) 02:58, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bon Scott is from SCOTLAND!!!!

australin NOT!!!!

He born in Scotland —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.248.44.241 (talk) 21:11, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Indeed he was, but he moved to Australia at a young age and was an Australian citizen, thus making him Australian-Scottish. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 21:20, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] His reported age surely has to be wrong

I don't understand the mathematics. He was born in 1946 and migrated to Oz in 1952 - yet he is reportedly 6 years of age at the time. That doesn't figure - he would have to have been seven or eight.. Neil

What doesn't figure? Born in 1946, so in 1952 he was six. Bretonbanquet (talk) 17:26, 4 June 2008 (UTC)