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[edit] Birthplace

believe Jon was born in Perth Amboy, N.J on March 2nd 1962. Why haven't they toured the last two albums in Australia?? They've had just as much success here as they've had anywhere else in the world. Does anyone know why?? No smart ass comments either please. Thanks. Adam.T -West. Aust. 08:14, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ....

Does anybody else feel like maybe the whole first paragraph in the History sectionbelongs in the article for JOn Bon Jovi rather than the band Bon Jovi? Just a thought --Jeff

No mention of his birthplace or birth date in a biography? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.21.176.141 (talk) 01:20, 25 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Critical acclaim?

The article often refers to the significant critical acclaim for this or that album. What critics? Any references?

As far as I am aware, Bon Jovi sucks is right up there with the most critically disclaimed bands of all time.

I found it amazing that there was no "Critcism" Tab for the Band in the Main Entry ? ? ? ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Truth4Sale (talk • contribs) 16:53, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

- Is this a joke? Check out the list of awards etc, I see you didn't sign your comment either..wonder why... TheMongoose 14:45, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Industry awards aren't critical acclaim... critics make critical acclaim - something Bon Jovi has received very little of...

Fair enough, but you're still talking shit (and still refusing to sign your comments I see) TheMongoose 15:58, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

If the anonymous user is "talking shit", why did you say "fair enough"? Either we have sources for the statement that they have critical acclaim, or we remove the text. Verifiability is not optional, though it can be deferred in the interest of building new articles. Please remember to be civil with other editors. -- nae'blis 18:31, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough on the point that awards don't count. There's plenty of sources for the statement, check out mtv.com vh1.com etc etc.. TheMongoose 16:31, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Hey I'm the anonymous user. My name's David, and it's anonymous only cause I don't have an account. I'm new here and not really sure of the conventions. I was just browsing and thought I'd express my opinion to improve the accuracy of the article... not sure what warranted abuse... I don't think mainstream TV stations have much claim to critical kudos, but even if they did, the substantial amount of negative press should not be completely swept under the carpet. At the very best, Bon Jovi’s critical status is "mixed", rather than consistently acclaimed. No need to get personal, I've got nothing against you if the band you like doesn't have much cred with critics. Don't be a hater!

By the way, if you're interested in a reference to an actual critic, here's a citation from a review by Jimmy Guterman, in Rolling Stone:"Bon Jovi's band is barely functional: guitar solos pop up like afterthoughts, bass lines whine like spoiled children, and Jon Bon Jovi's voice is double- and triple-tracked in halfhearted attempts to cloak its blandness ... Jon Bon Jovi and his band serve up condescending sentiment, reducing every emotional statement to a barefaced cliché – either because they think that's all their audience can comprehend or because that's all they can comprehend. On Slippery When Wet, Bon Jovi sounds like bad fourth-generation metal, a smudgy Xerox of Quiet Riot." Please don't shoot the messenger! - David.

Interesting point to note is that the user ratings for all the albums on RS (for Bon Jovi) are significantly higher than their so called critics, and lets not forget this is the same place that seems to think Kurt Cobain is a better guitarist than Steve Vai, they know about music in the same way a blind man in a dark room looking for the black cat that isnt there knows that it isnt there!123.255.22.215 (talk) 00:59, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Does the fact that they've sold over 120 million albums worldwide, have a 100 million-populated fanbase, and an album (Slippery When Wet)that is one of the six best selling hard rock albums ever not get into you? They've had major success. Rolling Stone may not like them, but they still have nearly 100 million fans. Corn Flakes 02:38, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

comercial success doesn't mean critical success and thats what were talking about now 24.196.132.211 05:08, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

someone please correct the blatant mistake repeated on this page and all sub-pages. per the following: s/hard rock/bubble gum/g. Thank you 199.164.160.4 21:58, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

I guess you guys never heard for AllMusic Guide, because they gave them 4.5 stars for the albums Slippery When Wet, New Jersey and Crossroad —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.2.72.197 (talk) 17:59, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

AMG is hardly a reliable source. Mostly great for facts(although it has its fair share of errors; I'm looking at the Beatles thread) but it's reviews just seem like total crap half the time. And still, AMG's few postive reviews are like a drop in the ocean compared to BJ's despise from critics. 92.5.95.44 (talk) 22:10, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Discography and certification questions

I'm running on incomplete data for approximate sales of the albums. I'm relying on Gold/Platium certification data from the RIAA, this is both generally out of date and will be artificially low when international sales are taken into account. Data for O.W.N. and Bounce are not yet availible, though Bon Jovi is saying 160,000 for Bounce's first week. nknight 21:54 Oct 24, 2002 (UTC)

64.175.250.138, is there any particular reason you deleted Crossroad from the discography? I'm readding it for now. nknight 14:04 Nov 22, 2002 (UTC)

Bounce did sell 160,000 copies in its first week. But i'am upset because there has been no recent certification for the bands previous albums, they're still saying they sold only 34 million albums in the u.s. when if you look at actual sales its now up to about 45 million albums sold in the u.s. Such as slippery when wet they are still saying it is certified 12* platinum when it has now sold like 13.9 million copies in the u.s. it should be certified 14* platinum. The certifications should be updated. The riaa is slow on certifications user:slippery89

[edit] 2005 single

An editor named Xinger has repeatedly added a table to include just the latest Bon Jovi single, Have A Nice Day. This single should be listed just like all the rest, in an organized column underneath the title of its album. Sebastian Prospero 01:21, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Original means not on any prior release

83.23.217.83 added You Give Love a Bad Name from Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back to the "Original songs appear on" section of the discography on Oct 22, 2005. It was Bad Medicine that appears in that movie/on that soundtrack, but regardless neither of the songs belong in that section because they were previously released on proper Bon Jovi albums.

I'm removing it, until someone can give a good reason the correct song should be displayed.

[edit] Worldwide sales

Can Somebody write Total sale for every album?

[edit] I want to be loved Chart position

Someone added "I Want To Be Loved (with Frans Builder)" with some impressively high chart positions recently. I've been unable to discovery any kind of data to back this up - including on billboards own website, which should in theory list it at number one if that were true. And who is Frans Builder, and why is his name associated with the song?

Not saying it's not true, I'm just saying, it's all news to me, and I'd be interested to find out where that information was pulled from.

-- Begemotike

I've removed Frans. Wasted Time R 10:59, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] One more?

[edit] "#1 EU"

This means nothing - there is no "European chart" bar ones made up by averaging sales across EU member states - or in the case of MTV Europe, their target areas. This should be replaced with the actual countries in Europe where the albums were number one or just removed. --Kiand 13:02, 20 May 2006 (UTC) Bold text

There is no European Chart ?

So what is this ? http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?g=Albums&f=European+Top+100+Albums What is this ? http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/content_display/industry/e3i677d4ba50100adc2926d7bcbb15cba8f And what is this ? http://allcharts.org/music/europe/albums.htm

[edit] Tagging

I've tagged the article for sounding like a review and for being unreferenced. Naysie 00:40, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bon Jovi not Hard Rock

I don't know why people always revert it but Bon Jovi is obviously not a Hard Rock band. AC/DC is a Hard Rock band, Metallica is a Hard Rock band. What do they have in common? Nothing at all. And this article is way too biased. Sounds like a Zine article. Virus of Profanity 16:31, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Their inclusion in the genre is well referenced. Removing it is POV. 156.34.142.110 17:53, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to add that it's a bit ridiculous to call Bon Jovi metal. They fit best into the arena rock category.

Hard Rock doesn't only restrict itself to near-metal bands. You're forgetting about bands such as Heart, Incubus, and Queen are all considered Hard Rock, and Bon Jovi is harder than any of these three, so the genre fits. BreakerLOLZ 03:50, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Bon Jovi were metal in the 1980s, lots of citations would agree with this as well. James25402 18:41, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

They are classified as hard rock, says David Bryan. They are not pop rock. You can't call Arctic Monkeys or Kaiser Chiefs rock, and call BJ pop rock. BJ is harder than both those "bands", so BJ is hard rock, or rock. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheseDays4ever (talk • contribs) 11:34, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

If Queen and Bon Jovi are hard rock, then i don't like the definition of hard rock. I DEMAND THAT IT BE CHANGED! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.13.76.11 (talk) 03:37, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

im glad someone put heavy metal back because its true71.17.42.3 (talk) 23:08, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] McDonald "ghosted" Such's parts on most if not all recordings.

I have heard that Hugh McDonald played bass on all of the Bon Jovi recordings. When Bass Player Magazine transcribed the bassline to "Livin' On A Prayer", they even credited the line to McDonald. (AV207.225.143.253 18:35, 3 May 2007 (UTC))

Hugh McDonald actually references this on his website. So at least HE says he played on the first album and on every other album except 7800 degrees farenheight. http://www.hughmcdonald.com - Tony

http://www.hueymcdonald.com/discograhy.htm - Aphasia83 16:08, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

This is true - I know, as I was one of the members of John's "Wild One's". Hugh played on all the original demo's, and most (If not ALL) of Bon Jovi's albums. It's about time he got the credit he deserves. Also, Dave Sabo never played in a working band with John, he most certainly was NOT the original guitar player for "Bon Jovi". Mickseeley`

[edit] Australian Tour

It says on the main article that Bon Jovi have confirmed that the next worldwide tour will commence with Australia or Japan, is there any source on this?

Also, the article claims the Lost Highway Tour is the first ever concert in New Zealand - it is NOT, as they were there in 1995 as part of the These Days Tour. Could someone please correct this? The page is now protected and I can't edit it myself. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.86.2.249 (talk) 02:38, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] More sub-headings

Does anyone else think that some sub-headings are required in each of the History sections? In particular the 2000s section has become quite large and cuold benefit from headings such as "Have a Nice Day", "Lost Highway" etc. DVD Smith 22:06, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Just a little mistake

Bon Jovi plays hard rock, yes, but not heavy metal! I would rather deffine their genre as classic rock.

I agree... but opinions are required on Wikipedia... just referenced content. There are a couple of disputed genres in the infobox. But it's referenced content and can't be altered. Also.... classic rock isn't a genre, it's a radio format and couldn't be added to the infobox anyways. 156.34.142.110 17:18, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Why not just rock ffs? We've got about 4 cats at the moment and in all honesty if we followed it to the rule we could probably have about 10 TheMongoose 20:14, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

AOR. BreakerLOLZ 04:25, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Other genres?

I'm not sure if this counts as part of being glam metal, but they have quite a few power ballads, enough of them where I would consider adding it as well.

Arena rock definitely should be added I think.

Yes, their new album has country and southern rock styles in it, I agree. I think country AND southern rock should be added, though. - J-Whitt 04:49, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Band members

I added a more detailed band members section that shows when different members were in Bon Jovi and the instruments thet played.

[edit] Line-ups

(1983)	Jon Bon Jovi - lead vocals with Dave Sabo - lead & rhythm guitars Tim Pierce - rhythm guitar Roy Bittan - keyboards Hugh McDonald - bass Frankie LaRocka - drums
(1983-1994)	Jon Bon Jovi - lead vocals, backing vocals, harmony vocals, rhythm & lead guitars, acoustic guitar, keyboards, piano, harmonica, percussion Richie Sambora - lead & rhythm guitars, acoustic guitar, 12-string guitar, mandolin, guitar synthesizer, talk box, backing vocals, harmony vocals David Bryan - keyboards, piano, synthesizer, backing vocals Alec John Such - bass, backing vocals Tico Torres - drums, percussion, backing vocals
(1994-2003)	Jon Bon Jovi - lead vocals, backing vocals, harmony vocals, rhythm & lead guitars, acoustic guitar, keyboards, piano, harmonica, percussion Richie Sambora - lead & rhythm guitars, acoustic guitar, 12-string guitar, sitar, talk box, backing vocals, harmony vocals David Bryan - keyboards, piano, synthesizer, effects, backing vocals Tico Torres - drums, percussion with Hugh McDonald - bass, backing vocals
(2003-June 6, 2007)	Jon Bon Jovi - lead vocals, backing vocals, harmony vocals, rhythm & lead guitars, acoustic guitar, keyboards, piano, harmonica, percussion Richie Sambora - lead & rhythm guitars, acoustic guitar, 12-string guitar, talk box, backing vocals, harmony vocals, lead vocals on "If I Can't Have Your Love" David Bryan - keyboards, piano, synthesizer, backing vocals, lead vocals on "Memphis Lives in Me" Tico Torres - drums, percussion, lead vocals on "Only in My Dreams" with Bobby Bandiera - rhythm guitar, backing vocals Jeff Kazee - keyboards, backing vocals Hugh McDonald - bass, backing vocals
(June 6, 2007-June 13, 2007)	Jon Bon Jovi - lead vocals, backing vocals, harmony vocals, rhythm & lead guitars, acoustic guitar, keyboards, piano, harmonica, percussion Richie Sambora David Bryan - keyboards, piano, synthesizer, backing vocals Tico Torres - drums, percussion with Bobby Bandiera - lead & rhythm guitars, backing vocals Jeff Kazee - keyboards, backing vocals Hugh McDonald - bass, backing vocals
(June 13, 2007-present)	Jon Bon Jovi - lead vocals, backing vocals, harmony vocals, rhythm & lead guitars, acoustic guitar, keyboards, piano, harmonica, percussion Richie Sambora - lead & rhythm guitars, acoustic guitar, 12-string guitar, talk box, backing vocals, harmony vocals David Bryan - keyboards, piano, synthesizer, backing vocals Tico Torres - drums, percussion with Bobby Bandiera - rhythm guitar, backing vocals Jeff Kazee - keyboards, backing vocals Hugh McDonald - bass, backing vocals

- 69.148.69.125 01:58, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

BON_FERRET HERE: Your 'first lineup' wasn't Bon Jovi. those were just the people who played on Runaway. Studio musicians. Dave Sabo was the original guitarist, though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bon Ferret (talk • contribs) 13:36, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't where you people get your info from! Tim Pierce from Rick Sprngfield's band played all the guitars on the original demo tracks John recorded at the Power Station. Dave "Snake" Sabo is a nice guy and a decent guitar player, but he was never at a single session at the Power Station. Mickseeley 17:17, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Too many useless genres in the info box

Heavy metal - Bon Jovi isn't a heavy metal band. They're glam metal, which is a sub-genre of metal. Putting heavy metal here is misleading.

Pop rock - The reference says that Bon Jovi is "pop/rock." This can mean either pop or rock. It doesn't actually mean they're pop rock. If you go into a store, you'll most likely find that there's a section called "pop/rock." It's where they put all rock music, from hard rock to progressive rock, and all pop music, from synthpop to pop punk. And sometimes even metal falls into here. It's just a way to group music, it doesn't acurately describe their genre.

Glam metal - This is fine. It covers the whole "heavy metal" part.

Arena rock - This is also fine. It should acurately describe how Bon Jovi mixes hard rock with pop hooks.

The info boxes are supposed to be simple. We shouldn't have 5 or 6 genres in there, complete with references. It looks very unprofessional and unorganized.

Country rock is something I'd consider putting in there, though. I'd say most of Have A Nice Day and Lost Highway were hard rock/country rock, so I'd be fine with putting that in there, but it isn't needed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GrimReaper39614 (talk • contribs) 22:45, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

How about just rock...?! TheMongoose 17:58, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Just rock seems a little too vague - Grim —Preceding unsigned comment added by GrimReaper39614 (talk • contribs) 23:34, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I am going....

to see them tomorrow. Has anyone seen them in concert? Are they as good or better in person? Clay4president2 21:02, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

My science teacher loves them and says that they are great live, but then again, he may be biased for them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.43.180.69 (talk) 23:21, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Expanded/Improved Lead

I expanded the lead to give a better perspective of the band for people just wanting to know the jist and career highlights of the band, as well as adding some of their notable achievements. Abog 11:32, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism

So, someone got charged $337 for a ticket? And a jaw-dropping $1000? So what! What kinds of seats were these? Scalper seats? First few rows? Onstage? Probably one of those, which makes the ticket prices justifiable, given high demand.

These prices are completely normal for bands of Bon Jovi's stature and in the concert ticket business in general these days. This is not unique to Bon Jovi. Look at U2, The Police, Aerosmith, The Rolling Stones, Madonna, Van Halen, etc. and you will find equal or substantially higher ticket prices.

Thus, I will be deleting this section. Abog 11:32, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

You're missing the point. It's not about whether the criticism is justifiable, it's about the fact that the band were criticised. They were. It's a fact. Find a counter citation representing the other point of view and add that if you want to demonstrate that the prices are normal and justified. I will be re-adding the section, however I will remove the 'jaw droppping' wording as that is POV. Exxolon (talk) 03:01, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for mentioning u2 etc... Some people have been putting the band down because of the ticket prices at the prudential center shows, but this was not there choice since it was a brand new arena, the people at the pru center made the ticket prices not the band. As you can see the bands ticket prices are back to what they have been on the past tours. This section should be deleted. Bon Jovi are one of the few bands that still charge an affordable price.user:slippery89

Whatever, I paid $265 per ticket for two to go see them, mind you it was second row centre.. STIL!!! :P 123.255.20.197 (talk) 05:25, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Genre

the information on this page is innaccurate and the moderators keep deleting my post because they hate being wrong or something. bon jovi is not a hard rock band they are anything buy hard rock. it's so freaking obvious just look at wikipedia's def of hard rock and listent to bon jovi and the answer is right ther. also BJ themsleves never said they were hard rock. this onformation is so blatently wrong. so damn wrong. i believe there is some vand bias going on or something./ it's fishy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.166.218.5 (talk) 22:00, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the person below. Bon Jovi is so mot a hard rock band. They are a Hair Band or a Metal band or just a rock band. This article is sayin that they are a Hard Rock band just like another wiki articles says Gun N Roses are a hard rock band. So what you people are tell me is that Guns N Roses are the same genre and sound music wise? Have any of you ever listend to either Bon Jovi or Guns N Roses? This needs to be fixed. The moderators will not let it be adjusted. They keep deleting the correction I make and accuse me of vandalism. There is some weird bias going on. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.166.218.5 (talk) 15:24, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

There are sources to say Bon Jovi are hard rock. It doesn't matter if they never said they're hard rock, reliable sources show they are hard rock as well as hair metal. And they don't have to sound like GN'R to be hard rock - hard rock is a wide term... Aerosmith, T. Rex, GN'R and Bon Jovi are all hard rock but they don't sound the same. Funeral 15:33, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

I have a question for the previous 205.X IP. Since you are the same person who posted both comments above... what type of internal mind conflict would have arisen had you disagreed with your own statement posted on Nov. 20??? and is talking to yourself a common activity?? Funeral is correct. Wikipedia is all about verifiable content from reliable sources. Personal opinions have no place here. 156.34.208.51 (talk) 16:24, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Get a fucking life, Bon Jovi are definately hard rock/glam metal, anyone who disagrees has either some serious issues with anything that is popular and/or commercial or has no knowledge of recent music history. Bad Company/Queen/Free/Nazareth/Van Halen were also called hard rock and sound nothing like GNR. Try harder than attacking the band's image.

[edit] Don't just place Rock

The genres Hard Rock and Glam Metal already speak for the genre just "rock". You don't need to place just rock unless you are unsure what sub-genre they are... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.97.106.87 (talk) 23:48, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Rock and Hard rock are 2 different things. And Bon Jovi's musical style can be described by both. If anything glam metal could be removed as it isn't really a genre. It's just heavy metal/hard rock played with big hair. If you shaved the heads of the musicians, they'd still sound the same... "glam" anything describes the "look" of the band and not the musical "style". Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 23:52, 3 May 2008 (UTC)