User talk:Bomac/Archive 3

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Please, don't leave me any messages here. This is my archive-page that contains messages from my past conversations. Thank you very much indeed!

Contents 1 Please userfy your archive 2 RFAR 3 new image 4 Hi 5 Hi 6 Јован/Зоран 7 Republic of Macedonia in the Article Improvement Drive 8 Re :BTW 9 University 10 Кључни проблем 11 Language 12 Фала! 13 Blocked 14 Latinus and you 15 Template:Bomac-1 16 Re: The newest additions 17 New template 18 POLL: Introduction for Republic of Macedonia article 19 Поздрав 20 Greek Macedonians 21 WP:SOCK Warning: 22 3RR block 23 Contradictions? 24 Portal Problem 25 3RR 26 Your Userpage Boxes 27 Huh? 28 Reply 29 Hi 30 Sorry 31 yeah 32 Photograph 33 Dangerous POV? 34 POV tags 35 Asteraki 36 Bulgarian language 37 Macedonia's Slavs 38 3RR 39 Thanks 40 Zdravo BRATU MAKEDONEC 41 Did... 42 LOL 43 United Macedonia?!?!? 44 mk:Банги 45 3RR 46 HRE is in a better place

[edit] Please userfy your archive

Hi Bomac, I think you mistakenly placed your talkpage archives into article namespace rather than your user namespace. Please move them to something like User talk:Bomac/Archive 1 etc. Lukas ^(T.|@) 13:03, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Ти си рекао

по националност (мада мислим да у почетку смо сви били исти -Словени)

били? зар нијесмо још увијек? :D --HolyRomanEmperor 13:30, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

слажем се, брате. --HolyRomanEmperor 15:41, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RFAR

I filed a request for arbitration about the naming conventions of the Macedonia related articles: Wikipedia:RFAR#Macedonia_naming_dispute. I have listed you as a party involved. I hope you will make a statement there Bitola14:38, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] new image

Hey Bomac, I recently uploaded this image from my personal computer, which I think is fairly accurate, acknowlodging that the Pontic refugees form a magority to the south east, and Albanians in the north west. What do you think? --Macedonia 01:54, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi

Здраво Бомак. Да ти кажам право, малку сум загрижен бидејќи и Грците и Бугарите креваат доста врева, јас ќе направам се што можам да се зачува сегашното име. Во секој случај, ти си со подолг стаж од мене тука, па ја поддржувам секоја твоја идеја. Како што гледаш, јас пак ги разбранував страстите со арбитражата:), веќе подолго време размислував за таа иницијатива бидејќи сметам дека disambiguation страниците во врска со Македонија не личат на тој вид страници во слични примери. Најверојатно за жал мојот обид ќе биде одбиен од комитетот за арбитража, но сепак, вреди да се проба! Поздрав Bitola 12:01, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi

Please see Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Macedonia if you can. --Bitola 15:02, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Ќе ми треба малку помош околу страницата за Битола, овие Грците сега и таму се запнаа. Bitola 17:37, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Bomak, ako si tuka, ovie pak dosaduvaat na stranata za Bitola! Bitola 12:22, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Да ти кажам право реков ќе одморам тро (wikibreak), ама изгледа не можат без мене, па ме провоцираат:). Сепак, ќе мора да паузирам малку, имам и други обврски во животот. Латинус, ако читаш (а знам дека читаш) - поздрав:)Bitola 13:50, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Translation: I'm going to need your help at the Bitola page, these Greeks have now set their sights there. Gee, I guess my Bulgarian (very very similar to Macedonian) is not that bad ;-) --Latinus 17:49, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Can I ask you a question, how is your name pronounced, Бомак or Бомац? I really have no idea... --Latinus 17:57, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Another question - Macedonian doesn't have the Bulgarian "ъ" sound, does it? --Latinus 18:01, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes, thanks, I know how it's pronounced. Luckily, I have English as my mother tongue as well as Greek so I know how it was pronounced from there (like "a" in ago). There is no sound like it in Greek - I wonder how User:Makedonas pronounces it. He went to university in Bulgaria, so he knows the language quite well, but with a Greek accent, he will probably pronounce it like "е" "а" or "у". I think Serbian has a similar sound with the letter "r". --Latinus 18:27, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Е, занима ме што се то догађа са архиепископом Охридским Јованом? Не знам што је урадио, али ми је мало чудно да свештеници иду у затвор. Што се збило, о чему је ријеч, Бомак? Поѕдрав! --HolyRomanEmperor 22:27, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Јован/Зоран

Аха. Мислим, нисам ништа могао наћи на нашим сајтовима о Јовану, само сам нашао један гркљански сајт - neo-byzantine - који говори само како је то "политичко 'апшење организирано од стране Македонске владе". --HolyRomanEmperor 11:23, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Овдје је само Патријарх Павле једномад изјавио да Јован жели уједињење свих православних цркава под Васељенским патријархом - па да му признавање још једне цркве отежава посао. --HolyRomanEmperor 11:27, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Е, па как' је Папа владао свијетом 1,000 година? :D --HolyRomanEmperor 11:45, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Republic of Macedonia in the Article Improvement Drive

Hey Bomac, I recently nominated the Republic of Macedonia article as a candidate for the Article Improvement Drive. The drive is a great way to get articles up to Featured Article Status. I hope you will take the time to visit the AID and vote for Republic of Macedonia! Below is the comment I wrote when I nominated the article. --Caponer 03:49, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

"The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia makes an excellent candidate for the Article Improvement Drive because it is very close to reaching featured article status in both content and layout. I feel as if we should always be focusing on articles that only require minor adjustments and additions in the AID instead of those that need complete and total reworking, and this is one that will only require a week to make the small adjustments required. Macedonia deserves a spotlight since it is poised to become a member state of the European Union and is a state that we will be hearing much more about in the news in the years to come. Its location adjacent to Albania and Kosovo will also make it a player in the upcoming debate over Kosovo's independence movement. I just feel it will be a fabulous choice and I hope you will think so, too. --Caponer 17:40, 2 March 2006 (UTC)"

[edit] Re :BTW

I wasn't calling you "glup", I was trying to say "That's silly" (you're silly is "ti si glup", isn't it?) - why, what did I say? I have some idea of what you were saying, but I wouldn't state it on oath. Also, what does "ednostaven" mean? Did I make many mistakes, I'm afraid my command of "Makedonski" is rather defective... --Latinus 21:21, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah right, an "excuse". I'd like to see you say something in Greek - that's be a hoot. BTW tell me, was it all right, were there many mistakes (apart from the first three words)? --Latinus 21:33, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Also, what does "ona" mean? It, he, she, this, that, I'm confused now... --Latinus 21:35, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] University

Do you know if the university that you are attending in Skopje does any research in machine translation or has PhD opportunities for this? - FrancisTyers 21:15, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Кључни проблем

Знаш што ја мислим о томе? Тјерати своје је кључни проблем.

Види овако Црна Гора је испала као једина слободна држава Балкана, и то као искључиво српска као што видиш Petar II Petrović Njegoš, а тек види народну црногорску химну Onamo namo. Дакле, по првом званичном попису у Црној Гори, 95% су Срби. И то је зато што је увијек рађено с Србијом и ништа није тјерано. Онда гледај што је било 1918. Србија је анектирала Црну Гору, и кренула у борбу против присталица независне Црне Горе и присталица збаченога краља. 3,000 Црногораца је убијено и најмање 3,000 рањено.

Сјећаш што се после догодило? Створена је држава у којој су нација само Црногорци уставом нација дефинирана као Србизирани Хрвати или Хрвати силом претворени у Србе. Онда је почело и етничко чићење Срба који нијесу се хтјели изјаснити као Црногорци. Који је онда резултат? Ех: Екстремистички Четнички покрет роди се у Црној Гори. А што онда би? 1948 Црногорци чине 99% становништва Црне Горе и званично су прихваћени као засебни народ. Онда, Милошевићеве и друге пропаганде националистичке пропаганде, па и план Велике Србије у којој би Црна Гора била су довели до чега? Црногорске власт желе раскид државотворне везе с Србијом, замењују хинму, одвајају државну валуту, затварају границе, ствара се Црногорски језик, као и Црногорска Православна Црква, па чак се и лобира се против Србијанских власти.

Е, па онда ти се ту поново све врти у круг. Тренутне Црногорске власти буквално намећу ту вољу црногорскоме народу. И погледај који је резултат. 1991 Црногорци су чинили 80% становништва, а Срби били неколико постотна мањина. Сада, 2006, има нешто више од 40% Црногораца и скоро 35% Срба у Црној Гори. Створена је у Црној Гори Српска Народна Странка која све више јача, а велики број српских избјегица које је Црна Гора примила из Хрватске само више дјелује овоме.

Дакле мој закључак је – што се више једно тјера, то ће супротно испасти. Кад би сада Грчка одржала попис, признала Албанско, Македонско, Бугарско, Српско и друго становништво које живи у њој и када би признала Македонску нацију и не ФРЈМ него Република Македонија – као и завршила све пребирке са Турском око Кипра и другијех ствари.... Е, тада, не би више једноставно било Срба, Македонаца, Албанаца или Бугара. Сви бисмо били Грци или тачније Ромеји. :) HolyRomanEmperor 12:40, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Language

There is no need to be ironic...better discuss what needs to be done in the talk page...this edit-war has started getting into my nerves,and i am sure that soon u will sing this song for yourself;-)--Hectorian 20:58, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

U know greek?that's nice!u know that u'd better not make another revert;-)--Hectorian 21:07, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Фала!

Благодаря за похвалата, все пак това е целта — да сме възможно най-неутрални, вместо да се опитваме да представим нещата както на нас ни се иска :) Наистина гърците понякога прекаляват (то всеки всъщност... и вие, и ние, отвсякъде има националисти, които идват да си изкажат мнението и не признават ничие друго). Надявам се да смяташ, че и добавянето на още един източник за броя на говорещите македонски е добра идея, според мен е много по-точно така. Лично аз си мисля, че числата на Британика са малко завишени (2 милиона — добре, имате емигранти в чужбина, но 3 е поизсилване и предполага вече и Егейска и Пиринска Македония, гораните и Голо Бърдо, а за тях ми знаеш мнението, освен това "2-3 милиона" е адски закръглена стойност, все едно да кажеш "50-100%", и значи, че просто не е плод на задълбочено изследване, а едва ли не на предположение), и все пак е най-удачно да ги има и тях, наред с други източници — в крайна сметки читателят решава на кое да вярва, нали? :) Освен това е по-неутрално и смятам да се боря за тази версия, защото гърците искат твърде много. → Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 16:14, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Blocked

I have blocked you for 24 hours as a result of you breaking the three-revert-rule on Macedonian language. When you return to editing, please stop revert-warring. It only leads to bad places. -Splash^talk 18:00, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Здраво, како си? Одамна се немаме слушнато:) Овие удавите пак досадуваат на страницата за Битола. А ако можиш, погледни ја и следнава дискусија:Talk:Republic_of_Macedonia#Untitled_comment Bitola 18:58, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Провери си маил ако сакаш. Bitola 20:13, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Latinus and you

Now, now, I like you both. And I've lost numerious Bosniaks and Serbs as wiki-companions because I stood aside their conflicts, but I'm not going to see it happen again.

Both you and User:Latinus are commendable wikipedians.

I saw the atmosphere "tightening" between you, so I saw the necessity to point this out. --HolyRomanEmperor 18:09, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Bomac-1

You created Template:Bomac-1 to use on your userpage. Ideally the template namespace should not be used for userpage activities like that. So I have moved it to User:Bomac/Bomac-1 and adjusted your userpage to use it from there instead. Nothing for you to worry about, just thought I'd let you know.--Commander Keane 12:35, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

I did the other two too.

[edit] Re: The newest additions

OK :-) --Latinus 08:25, 23 March 2006 (UTC) (I don't know what Hectorian, FunkyFly etc will say though)

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Барање за Администратор за корисникот Khoikhoi. Можеш да гласаш на [1]. --Realek 16:09, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New template

Template:User region Macedonia

Здраво, провери си меил ако сакаш.Поздрав! Bitola 14:50, 3 April 2006 (UTC) Уште едно писмо:) Bitola 17:03, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] POLL: Introduction for Republic of Macedonia article

Hello! Given ongoing discussions and recent edit warring – and with the hope of resolving this issue – you might be interested in a poll currently underway to decide the rendition of the lead for the Republic of Macedonia article. Please weigh in! E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 01:04, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Поздрав

Здраво, се надевам убаво си помина на патувањето. Во врска со промената на корисничкото име, некако не ми беше оригинално а и ми сметаше кога ми велеа: како си Битола и сл, не сакам толку да се поврзувам со името на градот. Можеби и новото не е којзнае што, ама мислам дека е понеутрално. Во врска со случувањата овде, не сум и јас баш многу во тек, дискусијата на Republic of Macedonia талк страната ми е прилично досадна и веќе видена најмалку 100 пати и затоа не се вклучувам во неа. Па, се читаме...MatriX 14:47, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Greek Macedonians

Please don't start an edit war, or the page will be locked again. I think it's ridiculous and reaches the limits of chauvinism to deny the existence of Greek Macedonians. I've already sourced in discussion, and proved that:

• Greek Macedonians had always been a majority in what you call "Aegean Macedonia" and the south of Vardar Macedonia (prior to the Asian Greek migration).
• that the term "Greek Macedonians" has a wide scholarly use.

So unless you're willing to take this matter through a dispute-solving procedure, you shouldn't continue denying the existence of a different ethnic group. Miskin 14:11, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

The term exists and even has its own encyclopaedic entry in an Australian encyclopaedia of ethnic groups (posted in talk). I don't know about the cultural backround of Bulgarians and Slavs, but up until the 20th century Greeks were scattered all over Asia Minor and every centres of Hellenism had its own distinct culture. Macedonia was one of those centres (Constantinople, Ionia, Pontus, Crete and of course the Greek Kingdom were others). You probably don't give a crap about this but I do, and the way I see it you don't have the right to frown upon our variety of cultural identities by saying naively "d'uuuuh this is nonsense, they're all Greeks!" or something along those lines. I hope you understand so that I won't have to take this matter further. Your last message was on the border of a personal attack and you edit summary shows your unwillingness to co-operate and your disrespectuful behaviour towards other people's cultures. Miskin 12:52, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

You make me laugh, the irony of someone like you using terms such as "Balkan nationalism" to someone like me is almost an oxymoron. Anyway, you're probably not the right person to understand what a real ethnicity that traces its roots to antiquity can be like. I'm not expecting you to understand it, I'm expecting you to accept it. Miskin 15:51, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WP:SOCK Warning:

User:FoxyNet is suspected to be your sockpuppet:

• He posted paragraphs in the Metabolic waste article from your mkWP respective article.
• All his interwiki contributions are about your articles in mkWP.

End this now, or I will seek that you have User:Bonaparte's fate.  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 18:49, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

1. Genes is what you meant when you said:

Note: ,,Hellenistic" doesn't mean's that he was actually a Greek. It means that he, influenced by Aristotle

2. Justice will come from where you do not expect it...  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 19:05, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 3RR block

You have been blocked for violating the three-revert rule, which stipulates that no editor may revert a page more than 3 times in a 24 hour period. Please do not continue. As this is your fifth violation of 3RR, you have been blocked for 48 hours. --Heah? 19:26, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Contradictions?

User NikoSilver pointed out some of your (provocative?) contributions (stollen Macedonia, Alexander the Great, etc) that contradict your reasonable contributions (even if I do not always agree with them). Contradictions are normal because in the heat of the moment and in anonymous internet polemics it happens to shoot first and think afterwards (that is why it would be better if we all contributed under our real names).

• But I really do not understand the way some Macedonian (Slavs) of the Republic relate to ancient Macedonia. Also, a bi-product of my research in hundreds of texts across the centuries, shows that there was no awareness of a Macedonian people (ethnic or otherwise) until the early 20th century and certainly hardly any mention of the term 'Macedonia/n'. The only people who called themselves 'Macedonian' from the 17th century were Greek authors.
• Never-the-less, I accept and appreciate the uniqueness of the Macedonian (Slav) people as they exist today. So if there is any consistent evidence about their history that I do not know, I would be the first to take it into consideration. Of course, if the evidence is not convincing, I will still appreciate the existence of ROM/FYROM and its individuality. Politis 17:25, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, there weren't people declaring as Macedonians before the 20^th century, there were only the primordials of it (Misirkov, Delchev, Pulevski, Chupovski etc.). But, having on mind that Greece and Bulgaria were free from the Ottoman Empire much earlier than Macedonia, this is really logical. In this period, two churches were created: The Greek Patriarchate and the Bulgarian Exarchate. Most of the Slavs (incl. Bulgarians, Macedonians, and Serbs) in that time were rebelling against the massive hellenisation, or more concrete - the Phanariotes. Macedonian Slavs (who were still under Ottoman rule) had no cultural or matterial support ('caus they were under foreign rule, of course). That is why they had to be in a constant contact with the nearest (free) Slavic church - the Bulgarian Exarchate. That is the reason why most of the people were declaring themselves as Bulgarians. Which means that the Macedonian national awakening followed after this period (with the works of Miskirkov - On Macedonian problems, Pulevski Macedonian grammar etc... Bomac 18:52, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Portal Problem

Republika e Maqedonisë

No-one emailed me. I just came accross it. Why do you object to having the Albanian name too? Are there other minority languages you could add? Vlach, Romani etc? Also why do you put that you don't speak Bulgarian? - FrancisTyers 18:19, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, why not add them all then? I sincerely think you are about as cosmopolitan as Telex ;) - FrancisTyers 20:07, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, most people won't see that and I didn't see that, and what you are saying doesn't really make sense. Why don't you just add them? I mean what is the harm in saying you speak bg-3 and sh-2 ? - FrancisTyers 20:27, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

"sh" doesn't exits. Bomac, you'll have to add: sr-2, hr-2, bs-2 and cg-2 (there's more - I'm not sure what the code for Zlatiborian is). Telex 20:30, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Haha, sh exists, but hell, if you're going to add Zlatiborian you'd be a big meanie not to add Bunjevac too! - FrancisTyers 20:45, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Looks nice, btw, {{User sh-3}} exists! :) - FrancisTyers 21:02, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Sure it does, SH is used by linguists as a generic term for the group of languages/dialects. E.g. Serbo-Croatian -> Serbian, Croatian, Montenegrin, Bosnian, Zlatiborian, Bunjevac, Shtokavian, etc. etc. - FrancisTyers 21:16, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

A small correction: SH is used by _sloppy_ linguists, not all linguists :-) --Elephantus 21:23, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh, quit it already guys... What's the matter with the name? Looks pretty to me. Bomac 21:24, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

:) - FrancisTyers 22:57, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

The name is pretty, the country even prettier. Looked beautiful in the movie Karaula. --Elephantus 21:27, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Hey, did you watched Karaula? I didn't, but they say it's pretty, indeed. Bomac 21:29, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I didn't see it either, but I'm going to see if I can find it now — BCSMxyz are definately beautiful countries... :) - FrancisTyers 22:57, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Bomac, are you sure that you speak all those languages at those levels (please see Wikipedia:Babel/Levels). If you don't please correct it - if you do, then I'm jealous :-) Telex 21:34, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

WHAT is the point of independent IE language branches like Greek, Albanian or Armenian of you cannot communicate with anyone outside your own group??? Telex 21:38, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

BTW can you understand east Slavic at all (Russian, Ukrainian etj)? Telex 21:39, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm... I'm assuming you have some idea on the mechanics of Old Church Slavonic, so I will just gloat at the fact that you know no Polish or Czech (or do you? :-/) Telex 21:47, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Well if the relationship between Macedonian and OCS is the same as that between Greek throughout the ages and most native speakers of Greek can understand Attic Greek (the language of philosophers, scientists and doctors), Koine Greek (the language the New Testament was written in and the language Alexander Grčki ;-) spoke and spread throughout the world), Byzantine Greek (the language of the Greek Orthodox Church), as well as the numerous modern Greek dialects (except maybe Pontic), then you should have some idea of what the priests were chanting in church a few weeks ago at Easter :p Telex 21:58, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm sure there are more things they have in common (blinding nationalism) ;-) Telex 22:11, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

No, I'm serious. Is there anywhere else in the world where the original 19th century nationalism has been preserved more perfectly than in the Balkans (and the Basque country). Everyone else are just lukewarm social nationalists ;-) Telex 22:14, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Lol! :)) - FrancisTyers 22:57, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

The Americans just don't understand. In fact we are the normal people - it's them who have no culture of their own (I told FrancisTyers this), so they call everyone who does and is proud of it a "nationalist". That's their standards though - from Balkan standards, it's being normal ;-) Telex 22:19, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Добра ноќ. Telex 22:30, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Faleminderit = Thank you

Përshëndetje = Greetings

Telex 22:35, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 3RR

You are in danger of violating the three-revert rule on Portal:Macedonia/Intro. Please cease further reverts or you may be blocked from further editing. Telex 17:24, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I wasn't warning you, I was reminding you. I don't want you to get blocked (you're a nice guy) - I want you to stop denying the partial Albanian character of R. Macedonia. Albanians are not mentioned anywhere in the portal. Telex 17:27, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

BTW, all jokes aside, what's a Greek person called in Macedonian? Telex 19:05, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Come on, man, you must have some idea :-) Telex 19:38, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I want to know, as I suspect it isn't "Grčk" (which is what I've been using). I don't know which question you want answering - e-mail it if you want privicy. Telex 19:46, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks - if you can think of any more languages for Portal:Greece, let me know ;-) Telex 20:18, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Let me tell you smt, I don't care (Miskin probably will). Telex 20:29, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

You were asking me a question before and said I knew what it is. What was it, I'm really curious. Telex 20:47, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Ha, you see - the well known nationalist did it in the end. He's not cosmopolitan like us ;-) Telex 20:54, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I knew it! Grammatical gender, it's like that (neuter gender) in every Balkan language, why did I overlook it? We'll know better next time :-) Telex 21:04, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your Userpage Boxes

For some crazy html reason (maybe the width of the border of your boxes, or the gap between them) your userpage looks in all of my computers (I use 3) weird: The right-side box (width 35%) apears BELOW the left-side box (width 63%)!! I presume this appearance error happens to other users as well. I have made some small modifications for you, to go around that possible problem: I changed the left-side box width to 62% (-1%), the right-side box width to 34% (-1% too) and the top box to 98% (-1% instead of -2%, since it doesn't have a gap in-between boxes) for correct vertical alignment with the bottom two boxes. I hope you don't see any ...Greek POV push motives, in that change, but ofcourse it's your userpage, and you can revert it anytime!! :-)  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 10:59, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

I can't believe it! Greek propaganda on my user page. That's... Just kiddin . Oh it looks fine. Thanks anyway. Bomac 11:02, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Ha Ha! :-)  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 11:23, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

It is great and encouraging to see people who disagree on certain things acutally help eachother on their user pages. However, perhaps you might agree dear friends that, as a policy, user pages should not be touched by anyone else than the user of the name. A user page, in my opinion, is there to reflect the user's views, abilties and perspectives. That's all from me folks! Politis 11:37, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Politis, I share your views. I've even reverted vandals in userpages with disagreeable content. That's why I had checked that Bomac was online (by looking at his contributions), plus I pasted this comment simultaneously with my edit in his page. I'm sure I wouldn't be able to explain the changes, had I not actually done them, so that was the only way... NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 12:33, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Huh?

Umm... I didn't understand what you meant here - could you rephrase it? Telex 15:55, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

I am saying that option A (Macedonians (ethnic group)) is accurate and that option B (Macedonians (Slavs)) is also accurate. I am posing the question: why accept accurate option A over accurate option B? Where are the double standards? Telex 16:02, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

BTW, do you think you could get FlavrSavr over from mkwiki next time you see him for our little pow-wow. From the past discussions, I'd say he is the least nationalistic Macedonian user and if he didn't say on his userpage that he only spoke bg-1, I'd think he was a cosmopolitan just like me ;-) Telex 16:13, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, I am a consmopolitan, that means that I could have a userbox {{user nationalist-0}} ;-) No, I don't think you are the most nationalistic Macedonian user, in fact, you seem to be more on the cosmopolitan side, quite unlike User:Macedonia, User:Vlatkoto etc ;-) `Telex

Zdravo, proveri si mail... MatriX 14:34, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reply

It's just that Macedonian Slavs was moved to Macedonians (ethnic group) without a poll, so I though I could do it too. I redirected Macedonians (ethnic group) to the dab page because there are other people claiming the title "Macedonians" and are ethnic groups, like the Ancient Macedonians and the Aromanians. The old title didn't disambiguate enough. Anyway, I don't know what you problem is - the self identifying name is still being used and the Macedonians are listed at Slavic peoples. Telex 20:33, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, roughly, it is the same thing, and I'm sure you understand everyone else's concerns over the matter. I believe that this name change will reduce edit warring on this article a lot and (mainly) Greek users won't feel they have to vet every word so as to be sure that no ill informed reader could be "mislead". Telex 20:46, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Bomac. Can I ask your opinion on something. I've made a few tweaks to the layout of Macedonians (ethnic group), but nobody's commented. Telex 21:19, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually Avg did that (check the revision history). Give me a few minutes to find a link, and if I can't I'll remove it or add a {{fact}}. We have sources for "Greek Macedonians" (you remember those endless discussions). If you still think something is unsourced, feel free to remove it. Telex 21:30, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

This kind of proves the opposite, but take a look at it [2]. It's a whiny essay written by User:Risto Stefov claiming that the terms "Greek Macedonians" are in use, but were introduced for propagandistic reasons. After reading this, I say the following: may no one ever claim that the Greeks are nationalist "hotheads". That guy really takes the cake; he's literally screaming. Here's a picture as well [3]. Telex 21:41, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi

Hi, I was hoping you can help me on the Vergina Sun article. It turns out that WIPO never granted Greece with exclusive rights regarding the Vergina sun, all of the sources which were provided only said the greece "requested" rights, never granted. But sadly these Greek users don't know what hit them, and are trying to ignore the sources and documents which only says that Greece requested rights. There is no source or document saying that they were granted :-) Macedonia

Only the actual registrations [4] [5], [6]. I suppose they are Greek propaganda ;-) Oh, look, the emblem if Tajikistan is also copyrighted [7]. Click on the little arrows for more copyrighted emblems and logos ;-) Telex 21:48, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry

... I guess I got carried away ;-) --Telex 21:44, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] yeah

hah yeah she is wonderfull, and the pic with the flag is awesome, she was dancing with it on the table at the press conference ;) only if it was the Kutlesh flag, it would be 10x better hehehe. there's also a short video of that moment, but i cant find it. well lets see what she is going to do tonight, let we all hope she will win or at least end up in the top 5. greetings! --Makedonia 14:04, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

The Vergina flag, is now reserved by others, as it was first discovered on an artefact in another country. Sorry, man. You'll have to do with the "stylized sun" now. --Telex 14:10, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Photograph

See Talk:Macedonian language#Dear Macedonians. Thanks :) - FrancisTyers 17:00, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Фала за поддршката! MatriX 11:53, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dangerous POV?

How is adding the Albanian name an "extremely dangerous POV" [8]? Are you worried that Albanians in the Republic of Macedonia see it and get extremely dangerous (from a Macedonian chauvinist point of view, like those who didn't want the gov to negotiate with the UÇK) ideas? --Telex 12:05, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

You removed Republic of Macedonia. I see what you mean though - when I absent mindedly wrote Republic of Albania in the infobox - you mean Greater Albania is an extremely dangerous POV (I just got it now - funny) ;-) --Telex 12:11, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Tell me, which would you prefer, the Republic of Macedonia annexing Thessaloniki in order to form a "United Macedonia", or Greece annexing Bitola to fulfil the Megálê idéa? --Telex 12:25, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Sounds a good compromise. I mean if Bulgaria was after San Stefano Bulgaria, the Republic of Macedonia was after a United Macedonia, Greece was after the Megali idea and Albania was after a Greater Albania, then this would be one of the bitterest conflicts on earth (worse than Bosnia). That's why User:Makedonia's POV of a United Macedonia (which would be 47% Greeks) is dangerous - just as dangeous as Greek nationalist dreams of annexing southern Albania (Northern Epirus), Bitola (Monastiri), Plovdiv (Filipupolis) and Istanbul (Konstantinupoli). --Telex 12:30, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

So that means my chauvinist orange userbox is allowed? --Telex 12:34, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] POV tags

If you use POV tags, could you use {{POV-because}}? You write {{POV-because|It presents Goce Delchev as Greek when there are no sources for this.}} and it will add a tag with the reason it is disputed. --Telex 17:09, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Asteraki

Actually, Bomac, I'm not User:Asteraki. --Telex 21:49, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bulgarian language

What exactly do you want information for? Tell me, and I'll cite it. --Telex 14:04, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

You're not telling me, are you? If you don't tell me, I'll just have to remove the tag. What are you challenging (that fact that it says that Bulgarian is spoken in the Republic of Macedonia maybe). --Telex 15:16, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm afraid I do not understand. --Telex 15:19, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

No I don't - what is unsourced? I'll give you a link right now if you tell me. --Telex 15:22, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

It seems fine to me. --Telex 15:24, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

WHAT seems pretentious and false??? Tell me, or if you continue pestering the article, I'll report you for trolling. Which entry is the problem? That bit about the number of people having it as a second language? --Telex 15:38, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

OK - better now? --Telex 15:43, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Macedonia's Slavs

Read up Држава маћедонских Словена - I think that you'll find this very interesting. --HolyRomanEmperor 14:28, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 3RR

You haven't violated the 3RR (yet). --Telex 16:14, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

My only objection is that the category 'Macedonian culture' needs to be renamed to 'Macedonian culture (Slavic)' for the obvious dab reasons. Miskin 13:41, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

I'll await it :) - FrancisTyers 19:15, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Zdravo BRATU MAKEDONEC

Jas sum Makedonec (100%), priicno osvesten i premnogu razoran od taga po pravdata! Gledam deka si navlezen vo istorijata, na vistinskiot nacin, so baranje na vistinski naucni dokazi i fakti, a ne na bugarskiot nacin, so falsifikuvanje i kreiranje na druga istorija. Navistina mi e preku glava i so site sili se obiduvam da se smiram i da razmisluvam bistro vo ovaa krajno nepravdena bitka za nasite nacionalni vistini. Ne znam koga posleden pat si ja proveril stranava (me mrzi, vo genite ni e), ama sakav samo da ti kazam nabrzina da prodolzis taka i sto poveke mozes da izlozuvas dokumenti (vistinski) za i od Goce Delcev. Inaku, poveketo od tie bugarski pisma se cista valkanica, falsifikati kreirani od ocajnite golemobugarski nacionalisti. Goce Delchev, vsusnost, nikogas ne se deklariral kako Bugarin (za razlika, da priznaam, od Grigor Prlicev, koj od sosema drugi pricini go napravil toa), naprotiv, sogleduval deka Bugarite precat i se obiduvaat da ja smenat nasokata na Vnatresnota Makedonskao Revolucionerna Organizacija od borba na Makedoncite za osloboduvanje od osmanskata tiranija, vo valkana golemobugarska propaganda. Ovoj citat dolu e 100% vistinit i mozam da recam deka kazuva se!

„...Но тоа е патот за ослободувањето на народите од туѓо его. По него оделе Грците, Србите, Бугарите. По тој пат треба да одиме и ние, Македонците, за да се ослободиме од Турците.“

„...That's the path Greeks, Serbians and Bulgarians followed. That's the way we, Macedonians, should follow too...“

Hmm, kolku e Goce Delcev Bugarin? Ova bi trebalo da im se pokaze na mnogu lugje. Vsusnost, postojat i mnogu dokumenti (pisma) zacuvani, avtenticni, vo koi Goce otvoreno kazuva deka Bugarite se obiduvaat da ja zamrsat borbata na makedonskiot narod. Nemam poveke vreme, pozdrav i da zivee MAKEDONIJA!

[edit] Did...

...you read it up? I would like to hear Your opinion. Also, tell me - what is your opinion on Jovan Cvijic? From where I heard, he is of certain respect in Macedonia - is that true? --HolyRomanEmperor 19:49, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] LOL

This made me LOL ;-) Is it true? (I've never heard of anything like that) --Tēlex 15:40, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] United Macedonia?!?!?

What do you mean by showing the flag of a united macedonia. You probably mean that your republic must unite with Bulgaria, but without the Albanian regions in the west which must decide if they want to join Bulgaria or Albania. I think you can explain yourself much better. Makedonija 15:26, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I am smiling because some people think we are naive. There are many intersting flags and slogans showing Bulgaria up to Ohrid, that would also look nice. If people followed your example, users, who think that Hitler was a great strategist, might simply include a flag of the SS gangs because they find it 'interesting' and (LOL) it would be wrong for anyone to think they actually support the SS (LOL) or, in this case, that others support irredentist views from republic of macedonia (LOL). My feelling is that you people cannot rest in your own country, you go looking for trouble with all your neighbours. Bulgaria is friends with Greece, Greece is more and more friends with Turkey, Romania and Bulgaria are together in wanting to go to EU, and even Albania asked Kosovar people to respect the Serbian minority. But not people like you. You show your flags and your maps and you go into your elections campaigning with those slogans for a greater macedonia and, in a way, campaign for war against all your neighbours. But we want peace, we have peace, we dream of peace and we will maintain peace. But I think that you dream of war. Makedonija 15:48, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

There are Bulgarian who dream of San Stefano and Greeks of Constantinople but where are they? They do not contribute to wikipedia. Some have crazy websites but you have to look hard to find those websites. The only people who play with irredentist maps come for republic of macedonia and their extremist Macedonia supporters in America and other places!! You go through websites of the official media in Skopje and in government organisations and you end up with distorted history about the real macedonia torn apart in 1913, you find ethnic maps of greater macedonia and Alexander the Great is a Slav. Look at the user pages and you find that the most offensive pages about greater macedonia and ethnic cleasing are by 'macedonias'. No crazy Bulgarian or Greek or even Albanian or Serbian user has such offensive pages. But for 'macedonians' it is reasonable to have such user pages because they are indoctrinated. Makedonija 16:28, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

What is wrong with The Ten Lies of Macedonism? The professor is telling us that those 10 statements are lies. He is telling us that this version of history only emerged with the creation of the macedonian ethnicity. Before that, history tells us that the name used by the various people was 'Bulgarian' or 'Greek' and nobody before that said they were 'macedonians'. Perhpaps you agree with those 10 statements? Some 'macedonians' users have placed them on their user page as truths, like for example by user Macedonia (I think he changed his settings but I have kept a copy of all those pearls of wisdom!) and are presented as truths by other 'macedonian' contributors (but not by you, only the united macedonia flag). You will not find official government sources in Bulgaria and other countries affected by the macedonian problem that propagate irredentist ideologies. Look, you people (not you personally) are using the language of war and I just disagree with it. Makedonija 16:51, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

"... the creation of the macedonian ethnicity..." now this is terminology I do like ;-) --Tēlex 17:06, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] mk:Банги

Good work! I have a two rewards you might be interested in: Wikipedia:Reward_board#African_countries_and_cities and Wikipedia:Reward_board#Central_Asia_cities_or_transportation. I'll amend those so translations count aswell. Any African or Central Asian city article you would like me to work on? - FrancisTyers · 18:28, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I added a bit to Francistown (cool name!) :) and stubbed Toteng, I'm not sure how much more information about Toteng we'll find though, it seems to be a village rather than a city, unless I'm writing about the wrong one? I'll finish off the hour on Francistown. - FrancisTyers · 20:18, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 3RR

You are in danger of violating the three-revert rule on Goce Delchev. Please cease further reverts or you may be blocked from further editing. the above applies to me also. We don't want 3RR casualties on such a WP:LAME edit war. --Tēlex 15:17, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

According to Bulgarian historiography (and others), Delcev is one of the greatest Bulgarian patriots, that is why they gave his name to the formerly Greek named town of 'Nevrokopi'. So, according to Bulgarian documentation, he did not fight for independence per se, but for inclusion into 'mother Bulgaria'. Politis 15:26, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] HRE is in a better place

Greetings. I am HRE's cousin. I have a sad news to announce (as per his brother's wish) - my dear brother-by-aunt is no more in the world of the living... It pains me enough to write this - so I'm just going to point you to HRE's talk page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:HolyRomanEmperor#As_per_Your_.28Our.29_brother.27s_request. --Sad News 21:12, 3 July 2006 (UTC)