Talk:Bombardier Global Express

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[edit] Specifications

I added a bunch of specs. I found them at the Bombardier web site. I tried to put as many useful figures from that site onto this page as i could.

However, a few of the "standard" specifications were not provided, so i calculated him. THese are the ones in question:

  1. Rate of climb: 436m/min (1433 ft/min)
  2. Wing loading: 468.4 kg/m² (95.9 lb/ft²)
  3. Thrust/weight: 2.95 N/kg (0.301 lbf/lb)

For rate of climb, i used the bombardier figure of 43,000 ft in 30 mins, and just calculated per min.

For wing loading and thrust/weight, i used the maximum weight figure in the calcuation.

Additionally, the thrust/weight is often expressed (on other pages) as kg/N or lb/lbf, which is weight/thrust. I am not sure which way is correct.

If anyone can correct me on this, or have any suggestion, go for it.

-- Fudoreaper 01:35:42, 2005-08-16 (UTC) Typically the Global Express will yield a rate of climb bewteen 3,000 to 4,000 feet per minute through 18,000 feet provided air traffic does not restrict the climb. After that 1,500 to 2,500 feet per minute to the mid 30's and 800 to 1,000 feet above that. -- FlyMatt2Bermuda 17:54:00, 2007-06-13

[edit] Global Express owner error

Greetings: I would like to alert you to an error on Global Express owners list. You have Oprah Winfrey listed as an owner. I checked the F.A.A. website a while back in the aircfaft registry section and according to their records. Miss Winfrey by way of Harpo Inc. owns a Gulfstream-4. Iv'e included the address to the page below. I would make the change myself but dont feel it is proper, and I would prefer not to as I am not that bold. I hope this helps.


Page address http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/nnumsql.asp?NNumbertxt=540W

Go in Peace. Echo1084

The Harpo Inc registration lists two aircraft, one unamed. The other is a BD-700. (global Express)--74.104.48.172 20:12, 7 March 2007 (UTC) http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/nnumsql.asp?NNumbertxt=54SL

[edit] Proposed page name change

Bombardier calls this range the "Bombardier Global Family" and not all the range have "Express" in their name. I therefore propose renaming this page to "Bombardier Global Family". Any objections? Piquante 19:55, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Owners list

There are several serious problems with the "notable owners list":

  1. It's totally unsourced. How do we know these pople actually own the aircraft? They may lease, rent, be part of a fractional ownership plan, or have nothing to do with the type.
  2. There is no source attesting to the notability of the aircraft's ownership by any of these people. This is an encyclopedia, not a celebrity watch site. In addition, WiIkipedia is not a collection of indiscriminate lists.
  3. It is not the usual practice in WP:AIR ariticles to list individual owners, except in very notable cases. John Travolta's ownership of a 707 is a well-known, notable example, as this type of aircraft is not generally owned by individuals.
  4. It is up to the contributor to both add sources and prove notability of additions. How long the items have been here is not to be factor.

While it might be reasonable to keep the list if it only failed to meet one criteria, that fact that it fails all of them is the reason I did not simply add approriate tags. You are welcome to discuss the general subject of such lists in aircraft articles at the WP:AIR project talk page, as I have brought it up there. - BillCJ 03:16, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

I concur on every point. Heaven help us if anyone ever decides to try to do the same for the Cessna 172. When I saw this mentioned on the WP:AIR talk page, I initially thought it might be a good candidate for Airframes, but without registration/construction number details, it's not even good for that. --Rlandmann 03:38, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, this is one of those cases where listing the citations to the tail numbers/ownership records is probably overstepping the mark in terms of privacy—which I guess is the dilemma. Most of the planes are not actually owned directly by the individual, but by their publicity engine/venture capital and investments groups, which is in turn owned by the individual. I definitely agree about the volume of planes in the Cessna example; however for the GBLX there's eighty airframes—a number lower enough to "know where they all went"; they are not your everyday ubiquitous Gulfstream V.
All of the people listed are notable enough to have pre-existing wikipedia articles. One option is to add the information to those person's articles. Of the three options (delete, cite, fan out to existing articles and cite) the non-deletion options come down to the issue of whether to intentionally make stalking easier; something I guess contributors haven't been comfortable with so far. What's the thoughts on that particular issue alone? —Sladen 18:41, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
I agree the privacy/stalking issue need careful handling. But you said the info was already publically available my point on sourcing is simply to cite where it's already publically available. THat is what alot of sourcing on WIkipedia involoves anyway. Even in cases where something is very-well known publically, it is still useful to have a good source, because they usually contain info not recorded here, and hence are good for those seeking further info on a topic. At least that is the way I read, and it's one reason Wikipedia has internal links to other articles, besides the simple fact that it's possible.
However, that still leaves the issue of Notability: not of the owners themselves, but of the fact they own the aircraft. I agree it is different than listing Cessna owners by virtue of cost and numbers. However, the GBLX is designed for use by VIPs and businesses, so these ownerships/usages are not really unique, as, again, is Travolta's ownership of a 707. Now if a celebrity LIVED on their GBLX, or otherwise did something unique with it, like park it in the garage of their home, THAT type of thing might be worth mentioning. - BillCJ 19:08, 1 August 2007 (UTC)