Talk:Bollywood films and plagiarism

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We asked people to cite at least one review claiming plagiarism, and discuss the pros and cons at the article for the film. No one is bothering to do that. People are just putting up accusations and leaving. Are we going to have to do a weekly prune of allegations that don't meet the standard? Zora 23:44, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Cite a reliable source or it should be deleted 2 j 3 Rewrite 4 Sources 5 KAANTE 6 Chori Chori and Dil hai to maanta nahin 7 Karma 8 Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikandar 9 The Others 10 Baazigar 11 Papi Gudiya 12 Ek Ruka Hua Faisla 13 Qaidi 14 Webpage for list 15 song 16 WikiProject class rating

[edit] Cite a reliable source or it should be deleted

I see lot of movies that are uncited and those that are cited are often cited from unreliable sources. Reliables sources are newspaper, journal articles and any other scholarly work. People will find movies that they see similar to movies that they saw before. For example, all sports are similar where under-dogs win against some big dogs. To accuse Lagaan for plagiarism of Mighty Duck or any other sport movies is ridicules. There are so many American movies where Alien invade the Earth or horror movie of where the killer is on the lose and killing people but if Bollywood do any of those common theme that movie will be accused of plagiarism Tarikur (talk) 00:23, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] j

Sarkar cannot be considered a plagerized movie. In no shape or form did that movie copy anything from the Godfather aside from the way Abhishek Bachchan sat in the chair (in the manner of Michael Corleone) for a few minute scene near the end of the movie. And Ram Gopal Verma specifically said that his movie was inspired by the Godfather, even though the stories of both movies are extremely different. Namantra 14 July 2006

Fight Club is also completely different than the American Fight Club. Same name doesn't mean plagarized. Which makes me wonder if people who add these actually watch the movies.... Namantra 6 August 2006

Respectfully, have you actually seen both movies? The font and some of the background music is lifted directly from the American version. And the "rules of fight club" refered to twice the the Hindi version is one of the most famous parts of the American Version. It's really hard to miss that. --Richrobison 00:15, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rewrite

Due to the failure of this list to be maintained at acceptable standards of verifiability, a proposed rewrite has been started here. See also the Indian cinema WikiProject's talk page. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 17:31, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

I support Samuel's initiative and have added another film to the rewrite. This article is out of control now. It is full of baseless accusations. Zora 00:29, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I think it's safe to just replace what's there now with the rewrite. I am little worried about "plagiarism" because there is a lot of borrowing which shouldn't exactly be classified under the label of plagiarism... gren グレン 07:59, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Done. A few things I should mention:

1. I didn't write up Jo Bole So Nihaal -- Crocodile Dundee, for which a source was added here, but the source is very much a passing mention and didn't give me anything to go on. I tried searching on Factiva, but found no articles that mentioned the similarity.
2. I did write up Ek Ajnabee -- Man on Fire, but realised afterwards that as the makers never claimed that it wasn't a remake, it doesn't deserve to be called 'plagiarism'. I posted it on User talk:Samuel Blanning/Hindi films and plagiarism, which is now a redirect, but if anyone strongly disagrees they can look in the history.
3. I removed "Film songs alleged to contain plagiarism", which is more an advert for the site it links to than a reliable source of songs that can be said to have been plagariased. I also removed "Bahasa Indonesia songs inspired by Hindi songs" - the only link [1] is a 404.

There's also a commented-out bit at the top of the list which makes clear that sources are expected, and if anyone knows of a verifiable case but doesn't know how to use inline citation, they're welcome to nominate films on this talk page. I hope that this new layout satisfies everyone. It should certainly be easier to maintain, and I no longer think deletion is necessary. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 16:08, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sources

Although I have not added any movies to this article, I've removed the prod, and added five refs. Will add more. utcursch | talk 16:11, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Looks like we had an edit conflict with our last posts to this page. When I rewrote the article I incorporated your references on Main Aisa Hi Hoon and Zinda, and I've explained why I haven't included Jo Bole So Nihaal and Ek Ajnabee. That leaves Phir Hera Pheri, which I forgot to mention above. I couldn't quite understand from the reviews where the similarities were, and I haven't seen Phir myself, so I wasn't able to write it up. I'd be happy if you or someone else could add it back, though. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 16:19, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Ok with me. utcursch | talk 07:05, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] KAANTE

Kaante, the 2002 movie, directed by Sanjay Gupta totally ripped off Quentin Tarintino's Reservoir Dogs. Though it also stole from The Usual Suspects.

According to a Times of India article I found, Gupta "doesn't shy from admitting that the film is a remake of Quentin Tarantino's Reservoir Dogs". In my opinion if you acknowledge your source, it's not plagiarism. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 13:32, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I think it is still plagiarism because he doesn't acknowledge the source in the movie(in the credits), isn't that right? Fkh82 22:24, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chori Chori and Dil hai to maanta nahin

Both based on It Happened One Night

[edit] Karma

The Dirty Dozen

[edit] Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikandar

[edit] The Others

does anyone know the name of the hindi film which copied 'the others' starring nicole kidman ? THE BOLLYWOOD ADAPTATION IS 100% copy its not even funny !! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaygajera (talk • contribs) 02:18, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Breaking Away

[edit] Baazigar

A Kiss Before Dying

[edit] Papi Gudiya

Child's Play

[edit] Ek Ruka Hua Faisla

12 Angry Men

[edit] Qaidi

First Blood

[edit] Webpage for list

I found following webpage has list of movies. Not sure which will be qualified as plagiarised ones from wikipedia standard. http://www.akhilesh.in/life/india/bollywoodinspirations.php

I have been maintaining this list for past some time now. The aim is to list down the movies based on the amount of copy/inspiration done. This is indeed difficult to quantify as the nature and number of pieces lifted vary and difficult to judge. There are various components that a movie copies from other movies. As mentioned in this WiKi that music is one, but then there are others things also, like in one account I rememebr lifting of entire original movie clip of few seconds.

My question right now is: in this WiKi are we going to mention only the movie which copies the main plot or major plot(s), or this also aims to capture the other types of plagiarization?

Example of Scene Lifting:

• Dumb and Dumber's Urine in the Bottle scene, copied in Mela
• Matrix's Building Shootout Scene, copied in Awara Paagal Deewana
• A James Bond movie's villains den scene, 2-3 seconds of orinial clip lifted in a Devanand's movie (do not rememebr the name right now).

Note: I have added the above link in the External Links section. Hope that is OK.

Toakhilesh (talk) 12:42, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] song

The song Nasha Yeh Pyaar Ka from Mann is an exact copy of Toto Cutugno's L'Italiano. 69.244.234.39 17:05, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject class rating

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