Talk:Bokononism
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Such very different people in the same device.
In every edition I've seen the line is
So many different people in the same device.
Finn (John T) 15:13, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Bokononistic sex is a union of two souls achieved by placing the soles of two people's feet together.
Er.. from what I remember the touching of the soles of the feet was not sex. Maybe I am confused?
- You are correct. Boku-maru was not sex; it was an ecstatic ritual instead of sex.
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[edit] Bokanovsky process
on an interesting note... does anybody think there's a relation to Bokononism and Bokanovskism (of Brave New World)? that sure would put an interesting twist on things... Dreamer.redeemer 21:51, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Another possible BNW reference...
Is it just me, or does the sound and meaning of Foma - "Harmless [and/or comforting] lies" - seem a positive spin on Huxley's "Soma" - a sort of "perfect opiate" that acted as a social shock absorber and means of escape into personal comfort and blissful contentment rather than face the unpleasant realities of life? Does anyone know if the two are connected in any way? Could we ask Vonnegut?
[edit] Noteworthy?
According to the appendix of the Principia Discordia (first edition, at least) the practice of "Bokonism" will be punished by "[getting] the HOOKonon, or whatever". I have no idea what that means, but it does sound punishy. Should it be noted, that the PD forbids practicing Bokononism? — Ashmodai (talk · contribs) 12:04, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
- Strongly recommend you read Kurt Vonnegut's novel Cat's Cradle to learn about the context in which Bokononism was originally presented... in the novel, Bokononism is an "outlawed" religion on a tiny impoverished island nation ruled by dictator "Papa" Monzano; the punishment for being a Bokononist is to get "the Hook", a gruesome form of public impalement. There is more, but I don't want to spoil you; it's really a fantastic mind-opening novel, and I wouldn't want to ruin it for you.
- But back on topic: PD is probably just jokingly mentioning the in-novel prohibition against Bokononism; you'd have to read the novel to get why this prohibition is seen as a joke. Cheers, Kasreyn 16:29, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
I was disappointed with the definition of karass. I need to read "Cat's Cradle" again before stating more here, but I know Vonnegut expanded on this topic far beyond the basic definition used by the Bokonists.
Regarding "Bokanovsky's Process," it was basically a cloning technique, not a religion. The Soma/Foma connection is a little closer to the mark. But while they served the same function, Foma represents the essence of Bokonism, while Soma was merely a means of achieving an ideological end. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Recursive Prophet (talk • contribs) 23:47, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Copyright problem?
Those lyrics seem way too long to claim fair use for. We can use short extracts, but not that much. 86.132.140.45 (talk) 23:47, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Cite problems??
You don't have to cite a work directly for quotes taken from it. Or you only have to cite it ONCE. Putting a cite tag on this wiki is grossly inappropriate. I've seen the same thing done with quotes from Hamlet. Come on, folks! SBHarris 00:00, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] This time quotes have been deleted again by the same person, for a different reason
Now he says they represent too much content (2-3 pages out of a full novel about something else). I can only conclude that he just doesn't like this page. I'll revert once more, but any of you who are interested in this page had better chime in. Next revert we go to ArbCom or something. SBHarris 01:29, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] It has been suggested that we remove some of this material
Perhaps if we keep the sayings and definitions, and perhaps the best calypso (God made mud), that would be enough to satisfy the objectors who say that this has too much primary material to be Fair Use as in WP:FUC? I need some other inputs, here, folks! SBHarris 23:33, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
