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Contents 1 Name 2 Goal scoring record 3 Serb?? 4 Stats table 5 NPOV 6 Opening 7 You tube link removal. 8 National Team

[edit] Name

I've noticed a small spat of name-changing edits here and thought I'd bring it up for discussion. Shouldn't the top of the page be listed as Bojan Krkić Pérez and not simply Bojan Krkić? I mention this because it would go in line with other Spanish footballers, such as Carles Puyol, Raúl González, etc. They are listed with their full names (Carles Puyol i Saforcada and Raúl González Blanco, respectively), rather than with merely one last name. So shouldn't Bojan be listed the same way? He is, after all, listed that way on Barcelona'sofficial website. Isaiah 19:32, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

I found Spanish naming customs to be an informative article. // laughing man 04:04, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

There's so much vandalism on this page and I'm having a great deal of difficulty trying to spot it, I don't want to delete relevant information, the vandals seem to be getting a kick out of changing the players names, and names of countries. Alireza Hashemi (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 04:37, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Goal scoring record

960 goals in 7 years? Where did that stat come from? It doesn't appear in the reference listed at the end of that sentence. How is it possible for anyone, at any level, no matter how lopsided, to average more than 135 goals per season? I think that zero might be an "extra." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.125.55.106 (talk) 16:01, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

all the goals are recorded in the club archives its all facts --Innuendo1899 16:16, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Serb??

He is not Serb, he is Catalan/Spanish. His father is Catalan and his mother from Catalonia too. I don't know where you got that information from, that his Father played for Red Star Belgrade. That's pure nonesense. His father is a youth scout for FC Barcelona. Bojan doesn't even speak Serbian. All those things stated in that link are not true. So let's change that. regards, Tremor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.17.113.228 (talk) 11:53, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Why don't you provide citations for your information. The article is well sourced right now, and it is a fact that his father is a Serb and he played for Red Star. // laughing man 17:29, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

As it reads on his biography [[1]] he is from Spain and his father is Serb, so that point is correct —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.37.238.2 (talk) 12:28, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Stats table

Should the stats in this article be listed slightly differently, as Youth and Senior Clubs? After all, Barcelona B is the reserve team of Barcelona. See Lionel Messi for an example of how this has been listed before. Perhaps I am mistaken in saying that Barca B is only a youth team as the term reserve team might have meanings I'm unaware of and one should never underestimate the complications inherent in sports law, but Barcelona B suggests that it is indeed a youth team. I will wait 24 hours before separating the tables and moving Barca B to Bojan's youth club section. Isaiah 23:30, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't know, maybe a good place to ask would be WikiProject football or FC Barcelona talk? I would think it should be standard across all articles on Wikipedia. // laughing man 04:01, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

The B team is a reserve team. It is not a youth team.

[edit] NPOV

unbelievable piece of skill & dazzle the crowd various other examples. The article needs to be rewritten to remove these things. John Hayes^talk 15:43, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

WP:SOFIXIT // laughing man 16:10, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes I know, but I wanted also to bring it to other people's attention. John Hayes^talk 23:44, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I worked on cleaning up some of the "fantastic" and "amazing" diction in the article Mmcm4 19:29, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Opening

In the opening, there is a sentence that reads, "He possess both a Spanish and Serbian passport, and so is allowed to choose which country he plays for should he be called up by them." I am not sure that this is true, but I am also not clear on the rights of a player at this age. Bojan has never played for the full national team, so does that mean he reserves the right to play for Serbia should he choose to do so at the full international level despite the fact that he has already played for various Spanish youth national teams? I just don't know the rules here, otherwise I would edit, but it seems that he wouldn't be allowed to play for Serbia because of his election to go with Spain in the U-x teams. Also, I'm not sure that this is a good sentence to have in the opening, regardless of its factuality. Isaiah 19:20, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

At least there is one mistake on the opening. I have put an biography link just up (in the article refered to his father) where you can find a further explication (sorry, it's in Spanish). This is the mistake: He posses both Spain and Serbian passport, but it isn't true. He hasn't got the Serbian passport (he can get it simply cause his father is Serbian but really now, he hasn't got the serbian nacionality, as you can see, also in spanish, following this link [[2]]) Sorry I cannot sign this, but I only have an spanish user. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.37.238.2 (talk) 12:45, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

For a recent example of a footballer who played U21 for one country, then senior for another, see Zdravko Kuzmanović who played for Swiss U-21 but decided to play for Serbia on the senior level. // laughing man 21:29, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

A player has to decide by a certain age which country they will play for (I forget what age, probably 21), regardless of what junior teams they have played for. Beyond that they have to take 4 or 5 years out of national football if they want to switch national sides. John Hayes^talk 09:30, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, you two. It should probably be mentioned somewhere in the article, but in the lead? I'm not so sure that's appropriate. Any suggestions as to where it should go? Isaiah 03:55, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

If I'm correct, a player has to choose for which country he needs to play. I don't think there is a certian age limit where a player needs to decide. For example Gonzalo Higuain had the choice of being called up to the French squad, but opted for Argentina instead. He was 20 when he decided. I remember reading somewhere that he has already stated he wants to play for Spanish team instead of Serbian, but I think this is just something he has said and isn't actually official yet. I'm pretty sure he does have both passports, otherwise he wouldn't have the choice of playing for either country, he would have to stick with just Spain. I think it should stay in the opening until it is official that he has declared to opt for 1 country, then we can move it to wherever. What you guys think? Lmaorofl 19:04, 6 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lmaorofl (talk • contribs)

I personally oppose it in the opening, but will not be offended if it stays there. The reason I oppose it is because it is a detail of his life; it doesn't describe who he is, which is what the lead is for. Isaiah 01:44, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

It sort of does describe who he is. It says he is both serb and spanish, while giving small details about his international career. Where would you like to move it to then? Lmaorofl 09:06, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you user:Lmoarofl to fix my mistake on champs league debut. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Umi1903 (talk • contribs) 00:46, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] You tube link removal.

1 link removed - TV footage - No indication from clip information or uploader profile that uploader has rights to the footage concerned. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 17:46, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] National Team

There was recently a bit about him being called up to the spanish national squad that got deleted because he did not play that match. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but if you get called up, you officially play for your country. You could be called up 100 times and not ever play but you would still be part of the squad. I give you an example of Theo Walcott, who was called up by the england manager for the 2006 world cup. He didn't play a single minute, does that mean he wasn't part of the team? No it doesn't. I think the national team section should be put back up, because he was officially called up, regardless whether he played or not. There is a difference between being called up for the squad and earning a first cap. He was part of the team but was an un-used substitute, therefore did not win his first cap, but he was still part of the team, therefore, I think it should be put back up. Also, when you play for the national side, it does not mean you are suddenly ineligble for U-21 and U-18 matches. Again I refer to Theo Walcott, who after playing for the senior england squad, has still played in U-21 matches. A player only becomes ineligble when he goes over the age limit, so technically, he hasn't stopped playing for the U-21 team, no matter how many times he plays for the senior team, until he goes over the age of 21. Since Walcott is now 18, he can no longer play for the U-17 squad, but can still play for all teams above that ahe category. Obviously correct me on anything I may of said that is wrong. What does everyone esle think? I think it should be put back up there. Lmaorofl (talk) 14:00, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

You need to be capped or it didn't happen according to FIFA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chefc (talk • contribs) 04:57, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Any proof of this? Does that mean Walcott wasn't part of the england team for the world cup? Lmaorofl (talk) 20:47, 18 February 2008 (UTC)