Talk:Bodleian Library

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[edit] Library photo

Guys I have a much better photo of the library, and I am ready to give it away to Wikipedia. It already on Wikimedia Commons - I think it's much better than existing one Sigizmund 15:34, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Number of Legal Deposit libraries in the UK

There is a problem with the number of 'copyright' libraries in the UK. There are currently only five, since Trinity College Dublin is not in the UK. However, historically there were six at the time of the 1911 Copyright Act. Should the History section be changed to reflect this?

Update - I've edited the History section slightly but it may still need rewording.PurplePenny 00:01, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 'Bod card' photo

That isn't, strictly speaking, a Bod card. It is a University of Oxford card (a 'Blue Card' in library parlance); it does allow the holder to enter the Bodleian and its dependent libraries but is far more than just a library card. There is a Bodleian specific card (a 'Brown Card'), given to people who are not members of the university but are granted membership of the library. The two can be compared here: Radcliffe Science Library admissions guide . PurplePenny 00:03, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Membership of the University: a Clarification

I have a Brown Card. I am a member of the University. The Brown Card may be issued to persons who are not members of the University, but not everybody who has a Brown Card is a non-member. The above doesn't say, "given only to...", but most readers would probably make that inference, i.e. Blue Cards are for members; Brown Cards are for non-members. That is not the case.--Oxonian2006 22:39, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Declaration

I worked at Oxford for 3 years and I was a Bod reader but I was not required to make any declaration that I shall not steal or deface or burn books or whatever. Maybe that statement could be qualified a little?

I'd agree with that, I'm a current student, have been in the Bod several times and I've never had to promise not to burn books ... I guess they took that as a given!

I have altered this paragraph as recital of the declaration is certainly not compulsory anymore, although the ceremonies do still take place for those who wish to take them. The forms that one must complete in order to receive a Bod card contain the text of the declaration if I remember. Rje 15:00, 12 March 2007 (UTC)


yes. they certainly do - the declaration is tucked into the forms you have to sign when you start at Oxf. Same as agreeing to obey the university's rules and statutes and what have you. Claire —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.146.64.31 (talk) 16:53, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] LDL Act

Lucian, can you please clarify what precisely you mean when you mention reference to Ireland Copyright and Related Rights Act 2000? From what I read at the agency website (reference 1) we should be saying UK and Ireland in the lead paragraph. CarterBar (talk) 18:06, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

The Legal Deposit Libraries Act 2003 is a UK Act of Parliament and it only claims Jurisdiction over UK and not Irish publications. The fact that this Act does indeed require that a copy of each Book is sent to Trinity College, Dublin does not mean that Irish Publications fall under the Act ie the legal deposit libraries only apply to UK Publications. Likewise, in the Republic of Ireland, the Copyright and Related Rights Act 2000 specifies that one copy of every book published is to be delivered to the British Library (not the Bodleian) as well as Trinity College Library, Dublin. However this act also requires books to be sent to the National Library of Ireland, the library of the University of Limerick, the library of Dublin City University, and the National University of Ireland. Thus there are additional legal deposit libraries in Ireland. Lucian Sunday (talk) 18:50, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
OK, that's clear, but does the Bodleian receive a copy of all Irish publications anyway? CarterBar (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 19:49, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I have checked the Irish Act and it does include the Bodleian Library, Oxford; the University Library, Cambridge; the National Library of Scotland, and the National Library of Wales.Lucian Sunday (talk) 20:52, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
Reading further, I can see that these dont have to be provided automatically, only when requested, but I would suspect from the Agency Website that they do have a system to get hold each book. Lucian Sunday (talk) 20:57, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reversions by carterbar

Hi carterbar, you've reverted the older text to state In 1911, the Copyright Act continued the Stationers' agreement by making the Bodleian one of the six (at that time) libraries in the British Isles where a copy of each book copyrighted must be deposited. See: Legal deposit. The 1911 Copyright Act makes it clear that the act is for the United Kingdom. There is no legal entity called "British Isles". In addition, since the British Isles also covers the Isle of Man (with it's own legislative powers), are you suggesting that the act also legislated for publications there (and Jersey too). It's a common error in articles to equate British Isles = United Kingdom = Great Britain - but it *is* inaccurate, and my edits attempt to correct the article. --Bardcom (talk) 17:56, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, the act you refer to is a UK Act, but one of the six libraries referred to is in a different part of the British Isles, namely Ireland. The library is at Trinity College, Dublin. I maintain that British Isles is an adequate description to cover the geographic area of the libraries in question. The issue with the Isle of Man is a complete red herring. You seem to be saying that unless usage of British Isles is all inclusive, covering each of the constituent countries, Channel Islands, IoM and elsewhere, then the usage is not valid. This cannot be correct. CarterBar (talk) 18:42, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
You're wrong. British Isles is not the same as United Kingdom as you seem to believe. This act covered the United Kingdom, and since Ireland was part of the United Kingdom at the time (act of union 1801), this is the term that should be used. If you want to use a more "modern" term, it's would also be OK to say "United Kingdom and Ireland". Using the term "British Isles" is not only wrong, it is inaccurate. It might be handy for your argument to dismiss the Isle of Man, but you can't wish it away (or Jersey for that matter), and that's the whole point of being accurate and an encyclopedia. This act did not cover those areas, only the United Kingdom. It records accurate information, not inaccurate opinion. The Bod was one of the libraries selected for deposits within The United Kingdom, not "British Isles". Justify your edit with a reference or a citation (as I've done - please read the Act from the link I provided) as required. Bardcom (talk) 19:14, 16 May 2008 (UTC)