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Contents 1 Eugene Platon 2 Sabot 3 Tayleur 4 Mayflower trip 5 Sub-Categories 6 Thames sailing barge 7 Sunday Times Golden Globe Race 8 Sailing Table 9 Interest in ships and history 10 International Catamaran Challenge Trophy 11 Redhouse Yacht Club 12 Knud Olson 13 Ellen MacArthur 14 America's Cup 14.1 Louis Vuitton Cup 14.1.1 Structure 14.1.2 Delta or Margin? 14.2 A note of thanks 14.3 A question about the America's Cup defender series 14.4 Question about this years America'a Cup 14.5 RE:America's Cup 14.6 Barker 14.7 AfD nomination of Knud Olsen 14.8 Knud Olsen 14.9 Burgee_of_nyyc.svg‎ 14.10 Boat infobox 14.11 Challenger of Record (America's Cup 2000) 14.12 Minor edits? 14.13 Cox & Stevens

[edit] Eugene Platon

Thanks for help. Cheers.

Platon 10:28, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sabot

I added a Sabot (dinghy) article. I really don't know much about it other than that it is a well-liked dinghy similar to the Optimist and El Toro, and, I think, pre-dates those, and, indeed, one version of it was the inspiration for the El Toro. Since the Dinghy template had Optimist and El Toro, I thought it should have the Sabot.

I have been sort of thinking about the sailing class templates. There are lots more that are left out. I will try to add the ones that are most deserving. Last fall I saw a list of world championship raggatas ordered by the number of boats that participated, and I will try to go back and find that and then add any of those boats that are not included.

[edit] Tayleur

The book by Ed Bourke Bound for Australia - The loss of the emigrant ship Tayleur, A detailed look at the loss of the full rigged clipper "Tayleur" off Lambay Island. ISBN: 095230273X, does say that that Tayleur was a clipper. I hope that you don't object. I restored the word 'clipper' to the article --ClemMcGann 12:59, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Mayflower trip

Within wikipedia worldwide I found different dates concerning the trip of the Pilgrim Fathers in 1620:

September 06 till November 11, Old Style or the Julian Calendar

and

September 16 till November 21, New Style or the Gregorian Calendar.

TDK

[edit] Sub-Categories

Thanks for your work fixing some of the categories in the boating articles (Francis Joyon, Philippe Jeantot). Just one little thing — because Category:French sailboat racers is a sub-category of Category:French sailors, anyone in French sailboat racers is automatically in French sailors. It's therefore redundant to leave both categories in an article; you should just put the most specific category — Category:French sailboat racers in this case. That's why you don't have to mention categories like "people", "French people", "Sportspeople", "sailors", etc.; because Category:French sailboat racers is part of all of them, so they're included automatically. Cheers, Johantheghost 12:51, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thames sailing barge

Hi there, could I ask you you to cast a critical eye over this article? And perhaps solve some of the Qs on its Talk page? It's an article you've contributed to before, but I've recently given it a big copy-edit to introduce headings and make it more Wiki-like, so feedback from a Knowledgeable Person would be wonderful. Very many thanks, JackyR 22:16, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks - that's great. I'll make sure that lot gets into the article (pls feel free to do it yourself...). Any thought on the two minor Qs at the bottom? Is a "champagne glass section transom" a known boat-building term, or just a poetic comparison? Cheers again for all your help! JackyR 20:34, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sunday Times Golden Globe Race

Hi, Sunday Times Golden Globe Race is up for peer review, with a view to deciding whether it is ready for the FAC process. I would welcome your comments on it. Cheers, — Johan the Ghost _seance 14:49, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi again, I thought you might be interested to know that the Sunday Times Golden Globe Race article is now up for FAC. If you like, I'd welcome your comments on the FAC review page. — Johan the Ghost _seance 16:41, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sailing Table

I have noticed that you have done some edits on sailboats. I am working on putting a table with the boat ensignia and specifications on every page. If you do any more edits on sailboat pages, I would love it if you added this table (edit it how you like). Thanks Minnesota1 03:53, 5 April 2006 (UTC)Minnesota1 03:53, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Specifications Under Current Rules
Image:420SailingFlag.jpg
Number of crew 2 (Single Trapeze) LOA 4200mm 13ft 9in Beam 1651mm 5ft 5in Draft 965mm 3ft 2in Hull weight (with fittings) Int./Club 100/104kg 220/230lbs Sail Area of total of Main and Jib Int./Club 13.05/?? ??/110sq.ft Sail Area Spinnaker Int./Club 9/?? sq.m. ??/95sq.ft

• OK Boatman 12:16, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Interest in ships and history

I can see you are interested in sailing, ships, boats and related history. You may find interesting information in the articles Framnæs shipyard and List of ships built at Framnæs shipyard. Contributions in the area are also most welcome. Nordby73 09:36, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

• Thanks, I will take a look. Boatman 15:34, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] International Catamaran Challenge Trophy

Good to see you taking this on. I got as far as I could and ran out of sources of material rather too early. Will you also be able to have a go at its sister article at International C-Class Catamaran Championship? I hope so. Fiddle Faddle 23:29, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

• I will see what I can come up with but it will take time as sources of information are fairly limited. I well remeber reading about these races at the time so many of the boat names are familiar Boatman 07:37, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
  • That was precisely the challenge (pun intended?) that I ran up against. The records are sparse. I became interested in C Class primarily because I sailed Tornados and knew Reg White and his son Robert because of the comradeship of weekend open meetings. They, of course, never knew me! I can't find my copy of "Catamaran Sailing to Win" which has some of the details, but I will keep looking. Fiddle Faddle 08:00, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Redhouse Yacht Club

The Redhouse Yacht Club article to which you have contributed has been nominated for deletion due to lack of independent references and a concern that the Club may not be notable enough for inclusion at Wikipedia. I do not agree and am contesting the deletion. As a prior editor of this article, I am asking you to help in the process of clarifying these issues.

Sincerely,

--Kevin Murray 23:26, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Knud Olson

Thanks for your support on Knud Olson. I spent two hours cleaning up an article like this from the clean-up backlog because I recognized Olson's name and knew of the importance of the OK dinghy (I sailed one as a boy) and the Folkboat movement. Then some pisher like Virek, whose obviously never gotten the seat of his pants wet, comes along and wants to delete the article. How is a guy like Virek different to a vandal? I wish there was a way to restrict the power to make deletion recommendations to those who actually do something useful (like writing something) or know the first thing about the subject at hand. Frankly, I grow weary of the tyrrany of the unqualified opinion. There's a whole band of these ignoranti prowling through the stacks. Your thoughts? (Out of a sense of fairness, I will post this on Virus's page as well.) PeterHuntington 17:09, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

• I agree, it is very frustrating. Nominations for deletion seem to range from articles which are one sentence long through to fully detailed articles. A nomination for deletion needs to have some sensible reasons stated for the nomination. I cannot see an easy way around this problem. Boatman 09:36, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ellen MacArthur

Hi there. I've made a reply to the points you raised re the MacArthur criticism section. Cheers, Labcoat 16:25, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

• Hello again. I've responded to your recent discussion posting. Cheers. Labcoat (talk) 11:06, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

• Hi Boatman. Thanks very much for the feedback on my User page. Although I disagree quite firmly with the edits that have been made to the Criticism section, I'm not sure whether we can go any further with that particular discussion (in any valuable way) since I have no further comments to add. I privately suspect that MacArthur will become an increasingly controversial figure in coming years. Cheers, Labcoat (talk) 09:42, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] America's Cup

[edit] Louis Vuitton Cup

[edit] Structure

Can we discuss about the new structure of the article ? Actually I think that the previous one was more clear for someone who doesn't know anything about the LV cup. What is your mind about that ? Talk:Louis Vuitton Cup 2007

Anyway I haven't changed anything yet. :)

Thank you for your help, particularly for this article. :)

--Mrpouetpouet 14:11, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

• You are very right, the previous one was clearer so I have changed the structure back again. Thanks for your input Boatman 20:36, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

• • Honor is mine ;) --Mrpouetpouet 22:13, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Delta or Margin?

Final and Semi-final have Delta, Rounds robin 1 and 2 Margin. Which one? --Mrpouetpouet 17:01, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

* Not sure which is correct?  Possibly 'delta'?  Any ideas?  Boatman 21:01, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

• • According to the official site, it's Delta. So why don't we write "Delta" in the results' tables but with a note which explains the reader what means Delta (=Margin) ? --Mrpouetpouet 16:23, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure where the LVC results should be, honestly, as the results come from the AC website. I do agree that as it is a separate competition the results should be on the LVC page. I was just continuing the existing effort on the AC2007 page. mpbx 08:09, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

I created a new page and moved the info to Louis Vuitton Cup 2007, I left the introductory paragraph on the LVC, with a link to the main article, and added a heading for the America's Cup Results proper. I also changed the link in the table on the LVC main page for 2007 to the LVC 2007 page. mpbx 08:21, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A note of thanks

I wanted to send this on to you for all the hard work that you have been doing on the America's Cup and Louis Vuitton Cup pages. I thought that today's race was a thriller.MarnetteD | Talk 18:22, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A question about the America's Cup defender series

Well I was in the middle of writing a long winded question about the fact that I thought that I remembered that the defenders regatta cup had received a brand name in the same way that the challengers cup had become the Louis Vuitton Cup when I was able to answer by going to the page for the LV Cup and seeing that it had. So now my note alters a bit in that I want to point out that the LV Cup is mentioned in the main America's cup article but the Citizen's Cup isn't. I could take a stab at adding it but I would prefer to defer to your knowledge of all things to do with this situation. I know that you may be too busy to work on it at present but I will look forward to anything that you can add when you have time. I hope that you are enjoying the races so far. As this is the first time that the regatta is being held in Europe I am having fun getting up early (coverage starts at 6:30 am here in Denver) to watch the drama unfold. Cheers and thanks again for all you are doing here at wikiP.MarnetteD | Talk 18:22, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

• Thanks for your thanks! The selection series for the defender indeed used to be sponsored by Citizen watches. I will add some clarification later. (We are away on vacation for the next 10 days so I will be away from a wiki). Although I am a Brit, we live in France so the hours to watch the racing are more sociable than in Denver! I agree the racing is excellent particularly because the boat speed of the top syndicates is very even which makes the crew element of wind prediction, tactics, boat handling etc absolutely critical. Boatman 20:58, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

You are welcome and let me just add that I hope that you have a wonderful time on your vacation. MarnetteD | Talk 21:41, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi again Boatman. From the moment some bright spark entered that New Zealand had won the Cup on the page for this years regatta after race three all of the luck seemed to turn against them. That ripped spinnaker and the ensuing mess in race five was painful to watch. But to have the final leg of the final race unfold the way that it did was about as heart pounding as it gets. Please don't think that I was being impatient or forcing your hand, but I found a spot to get the Citizen Cup mentioned on the main AC page until you have a chance to expand on it. I put it in the "see also" section. I also tried to put some wording with it to try to explain why it is there but I am not entirely happy with it. If you can think of something better please feel free to alter it. Are the really only going to wait two years before the next regatta? If so that will be a pleasant change from the long waits that we have had recently. Thanks again for you time. MarnetteD | Talk 12:03, 6 July 2007 (UTC).

Fantastic AC 2007 and if the next AC is in two years particularly with the new design then the event has really has come alive. Good job on your Citizen's Cup updates Boatman 20:58, 6 July 2007 (UTC).

Thanks for your kind words but it looks like Mrpouetpouet removed the notes. Now I can understand this with the LV Cup as it is mentioned in the article but the C Cup is not and I feel that without the note there won't be any reason for anyone to click on that link to learn more as they have no idea why it is in the see also section. Well we will have to see what he thinks. Cheers and have a great weekend. MarnetteD | Talk 21:30, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Question about this years America'a Cup

Hi Boatman. I hope that your vacation was a good one and that you are enjoying the regatta so far. I gotta tell ya I don't think that I have ever seen a race quite like yesterdays. I thought that it was as thrilling as it gets. I have one question. I have noticed that there are two bouys at the leeward mark. I think our announcers said that this was the first time that this had been used in the AC (I was was messing around the house at the time so I could have misheard). Is this the case? If so do you know why and should we note it on either the reg AC page or the page for this years cup. My thanks for any info that you can share. MarnetteD | Talk 00:35, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

• Great vacation thanks and also great close racing! I was dreading a 5-0 series. Good question re 2 buoys at leeward mark to which I don't know the definitive answer but I have a feeling that this is the first time in the AC. It introduces an added dimension to the tactics and should be included/explained in the 2007 America's Cup article if true. I will try and get confirmation Boatman 15:46, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RE:America's Cup

Oh, I deleted it because it was written for 2007 but not for the editions before with same boats name. I thought it was an error. Do not hesitate to modify my edits if you think they are wrong no problem. (In this case we'll have to put each name of winner's and runner-up's boats since the number 1. I think it'll be better in small characters but i didn't test it.)

Thx again for the great job on 2007 louis vuitton cup, 2007 america's cup etc....

see you mate

--Mrpouetpouet 21:13, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Mrpouetpouet. rgds, Boatman 12:21, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Barker

Cheers. I hadn't even realised that I'd started the article. Although I guess that explains why it is on my watchlist. Cheers for the good work, and certainly worth keeping pov edits under wraps. Ooh, which reminds me, there is a good need for me to write probably the only other nautically-related article I ever will. --Limegreen 23:35, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AfD nomination of Knud Olsen

Knud Olsen, an article you created, has been nominated for deletion. We appreciate your contributions. However, an editor does not feel that Knud Olsen satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and the Wikipedia deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Knud Olsen and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of Knud Olsen during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 04:48, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi. I have intervened in the Afd to save the article by reducing it to a stub to remove the copyright violation. It can now be rebuilt with care, avoiding any copyright issue. Copyright was the issue here, however due to the nature of the GNU Free Documentation License under which Wikipedia content is released, it is not sufficient to obtain permission to use copyrighted text, the article needs to be written using your own words. Is that OK? --Malcolmxl5 08:19, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification Boatman 06:28, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Knud Olsen

Greetings, Boatman. I have revisited the Knud Olsen article and added a short biography. I expect that the article will be stable now with no more attempts to delete it though I have watchlisted it just in case! Kind regards. --Malcolmxl5 16:44, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

• Thanks for your edits and support Boatman 14:59, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Burgee_of_nyyc.svg‎

Thanks !--Banderas (talk) 12:08, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Boat infobox

Hello,

I'm going to create an infobox for similar articles relating to dinghies and skiffs, as mentioned here. I have started the template here.

I can see from your edits that you are highly knowledgeable in this area. Can you add any pointers or direction to this project?

Thank you. Timneu22 (talk) 13:32, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind, I found an existing template. Timneu22 (talk) 14:30, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Challenger of Record (America's Cup 2000)

I've created the page for italian wikipedia of it:America's Cup 1992, it:America's Cup 1995, it:America's Cup 2000. I need your help because I don't know the Challenger of Record of this edition. --Noname-en (talk) 10:27, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

• After lots of Google searches I discovered that the Challenger of Record for the 2000 America's Cup was the New York Yacht Club represented by Young America Boatman (talk) 17:50, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Minor edits?

I couldn't help but notice that all your edits are tagged as minor. I assume this is an oversight on your part? Pjbflynn (talk) 05:18, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

• Good point! Thanks for pointing me to the definition of minor. I had made a minor assumption which turns out to be a major one! Boatman (talk) 18:31, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cox & Stevens

Cox & Stevens was a yacht design firm, which employed Philip Rhodes, until he took over the business post WWII, under his name. Stevens was from a serious yachting family including one of the originators of the America and the cup series. One of the Cox brothers went on to form Gibb & Cox. An interesting story with scant information. Can you help? --Kevin Murray (talk) 18:01, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

• Hi Kevin, I doubt if I have any source material of my own but I will do some research and try to assist. Boatman (talk) 10:35, 18 April 2008 (UTC)