Talk:BMW F 650 GS

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Contents 1 History(?) — Variants(?) 2 Should be renamed to "BMW F 650 GS" 3 New Structure Proposal 4 2008 Model 5 Draft

[edit] History(?) — Variants(?)

I would like to see the history of the F650 series added to this article. When was it introduced? How has it evolved over time?

What are the differences between the GS model and other F650s? Why not cover all F650 variants? 67.142.130.49 18:44, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Should be renamed to "BMW F 650 GS"

Source: http://www.bmwmotorcycles.com/bikes/bike.jsp?b=f650gs —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.189.121.161 (talk) 22:47, 1 May 2007 (UTC).

I don't believe that it should. Other BMW model specific pages on Wikipedia don't use spaces between the series, engine size and model e.g. BMW R1200RT, BMW R90S and BMW R1200C. --Cheesy Mike 05:49, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

So other pages are wrong, too. See the link for an authentic source, here is another in case you think BMW USA plays their own name game: http://www.bmw-motorrad.com/com/en/bikes/enduro/f650gs/f650gs_main.html --87.189.90.181

Yes, I am coming around to your way of thinking. All the BMW models on any BMW official website in any country are listed with spaces, as is all the official documentation relating to my personal BMW bike (R1150GS) such as service record and owners manual. As this is a pretty wide-reaching change to a lot of BMW related pages I'll let you kick it off(!!), but be warned you are likely to have your edits reverted by others if you are making changes from an IP address. It would help your edits be accepted by others if you registered an account on Wikipedia. --Cheesy Mike 08:13, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I can only change the text, not the article's name because I'm an IP (and intend to stay that way for now).

Anyway, I will pick another article, change the text and see what will happen. --193.254.155.48

That went relatively well, I've seen much worse. You should try editing as an IP once in a while, quite illuminative I think. --87.189.116.19

I do not support the move to F 650 GS. --TimTay (talk) 10:26, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

So you don not support to move to the version unambigiously demanded by primary sources. Why? --87.189.62.202 (talk)

Because blanks make the article content difficult to read. --TimTay (talk) 10:39, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

So your point is that we should introduce falsehoods into the articles to make them more convenient? --87.189.62.202 (talk)

So, The result of our little discussion seems to be that the move is unambigiously demanded by primary sources, supported by secondary sources and that the only reason not to do them is WP:IDONTLIKEIT. --87.189.71.248 (talk)

• Oppose the move. Most BMW bike article names use the format with only one blank, as do most external websites, eg http://micapeak.com/bmw/gs/gs_1150.htm which describes the BMW R1150GS. Andrewa (talk) 03:03, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

So most are wrong. Primary sources are very clear on the issue, and I also named some secondary sources (obviously the more careful ones) here. --217.230.34.115 (talk)

[edit] New Structure Proposal

I think the article could use a different structure. This is what we have now:

• [Intro]
• Distinctive Features
• See also
• External links

I thought about something along these lines:

• [Intro]
• History
• Frame, engine etc.
• Dakar
• 2008 Update
• See also
• External links

What do you think? --Yooden ☮

[edit] 2008 Model

I think the 2008 Model should be covered on BMW F 800 GS, apart from a paragraph or so here. Any thoughts? --Yooden ☮

Personally I'd like to see this article renamed to F650GS single cylinder and start a new F650GS twin cylinder article. I think that the two models are significantly differnet enough to warrant a new article. --TimTay (talk) 21:06, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree with the second part, hence the proposal. I don't think however that F800GS and the new F650GS are different enough to warrant different articles. It's what, color, fork, height and engine control? We would have BMW F 800 GS (slightly misnomered) to cover both in detail and this article pointing over. --Yooden ☮

[edit] Draft

I created a draft here. Join the fun! --Yooden ☮