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[edit] Re:User:Loiterton and User:DaAlmighty1

Thanks for the notice! Malinaccier (talk) 16:01, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Francis Schaeffer

My original post on User talk:Akda18: Hi Akda18. I appreciate your thinking twice about reverting that edit a second time, and I also appreciate the good faith you showed by trying to improve the edit instead. However, it is not acceptable content to simply give your opinion on why Os Guinness may have ulterior motives. We need the opinion of a reliable source. I am happy to talk about this further with you. --BlueMoonlet (t/c) 19:27, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

You're right - I should have just deleted the Os Guinness quote. Opinions really don't have a place on wikipedia. Os is clearly biased and wasn't there, so he doesn't know. On the other hand Mikey AND his sisters have confirmed both the abusiveness of Francis Schaeffer and the narcissism of Edith. Os' opinion is nothing more than an opinion. Frank's a witness. By the way, have you read Frank's book, "Crazy for God" or are you just familiar with what Os Guinness has said about it (he probably hasn't read it either)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Akda18 (talk • contribs) 22:34, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Hi Akda. I don't think Os is any more "clearly biased" than Frank is. Remember that it is not generally WP's job to decide who is telling the truth. Rather, our job is to present readers with the notable views and let them judge whom they believe. Os was a close friend of the family, and I think many people find him credible. If there are published statements by siblings of Frank that support his account, then that would certainly be an appropriate source to cite. --BlueMoonlet (t/c) 00:26, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

If you'd read the book you would have seen letters from Frank's sisters which he included in the book with their permission (he had requested that they write something he could include in the book). Os' bias is obvious; like anyone else he seeks to defend his friends' integrity (who wouldn't?). Frank position is that he's just finally trying to come clean and make peace with his past. But you are right in that this isn't an appropriate argument for wikipedia...and I've left your last edit intact. On the other hand I believe it's appropriate to edit clear bias wherever it's found on wikipedia. As a religious person I am all too aware that individuals of faith have a tendency to express bias and shout down evidence to the contrary in an attempt to justify their faith to themselves. In truth, we are all human, and all humans have shortcomings. It seems to me to be either ignorance or cult-like denial to either ignore or deny the shortcomings of our leaders when faced with evidence to the contrary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Akda18 (talk • contribs) 01:30, 26 May 2008 (UTC)