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Ok. We have two articles on the Blueshirts. Blueshirts and National Guard. I don't know what to do with them.

I think it's fixed now; please check for mistakes. - Hephaestos`

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[edit] National Corporate Party

Someone associated with this article might know more of O'Duffys National Corporate Party which I have created a stub on, and could help expand. Nagelfar 18:27, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Blatant Popular Front Politics

This article seems to deviate from NPOV, especially considering the seemingly amused exclamation regarding Franco's troops firing on O'Duffy's position and the references to the holocaust, especially in light of the IRA's Plan Kathleen and the uncited references to 'conservative elements.'


Worst article that I've encountered on Wikipedia. Was obviously written by people hostile to Fine Gael. The Blueshirt movement was not Fascist. It's leaders may have been but were kept i9n check by the leaders of the constitutional Fine Gael party. In the end, FG alienated extremists in the Blueshirts and successfully broke away from that body leaving only a handful of supporters with extrmists like O'Duffy. Get your facts straight!

[edit] this article is bollox

facist my arsehole, the ira were facist, and fianna fail let them be.

[edit] Biased article

This is the most biased article I have ever read. It should be deleted or re-written


Serious POV issue with THIS line: "O'Duffy's adventure by raising a volunteer group to aid the Nationalist movement of Franco in Spain against the Socialist government which was brutally persecuting the Church,"

EXCUSE ME...

when did it become an unchallengeable assertion that the democratically elected Popular Front government WAS in fact persecuting the Church? If you were to say "the Socialist government whose opponents CLAIMED was 'brutally yada yada yada' it would be barely tolerable. Definite rewrite or deletion needed there. -Ken Burch

[edit] Fascism

There is still considerable debate in Ireland about whether apart from General O' Duffy, other members of the Army Comrades Association and members were undoubtedly fascist, but there was little in open docterine that can associate the group with anything other than militarism and corportivism. They always maintained that they were a democratic party. I intend to change this article in this way, to even up the debate and reflect some of the acedemic opinions in Ireland at the minute. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.41.69.239 (talk) 13:01, 25 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] The IRA anti-fascist!!

Whether the Blueshirts were fascists or not will always depend on what definition of fascism is in vogue, therefore it is unlikely that a conclusion will ever be reached. However, one thing is beyond doubt- the IRA cannot be seen as an anti-fascist movement. Firstly The IRA opposed the Blueshirts in the same way they opposed any political party at the time, (i.e. The Communist Party of Ireland) with violence and intimidation. It was about political space that's why the blueshirts were opposed by the IRA in the 1930s. It would be too simplistic to assess the IRA's anti-fascist credentials on this point alone. The IRA's response to the Spanish Civil War is telling, as its leadership banned its members from participating [citation needed] in the 'International fight against fascism', still an anti-fascist organisation? Finally the IRA's collaboration with the Nazi's discredits any notion of the IRA as an anti-fascist organisation. True it opposed 'fascism' in Ireland but once Ireland was rid of fascism the IRA's focus on more imediate issues. The IRA's opposition to fascism died with the blueshirts. Palingenetic 20:27, 24 March 2007 (UTC)Palengenetic

[edit] Protestants

"Christian faith" would include Protestants. Did they have many Protestant members? --84.20.17.84 15:22, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

It's a quotation, so it doesn't matter. They said it; we repeated it. - Revolving Bugbear 18:35, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I am not questioning the accuracy of the quotation. I'd like to ascertain whether there were Protestants or non-Irish Christian people. --84.20.17.84 15:01, 15 November 2007 (UTC)