Talk:Blue cheese

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Contents 1 Comment 1 2 How this article could be improved 3 Debunking the history of blue cheese 4 Blue / Bleu Cheese Salad Dressing 5 The origins of blue cheese 6 Name of article 6.1 Spelling 7 Copper wires? 8 Antibiotic?

[edit] Comment 1

does anyone know whether blue cheese can go mouldy???

I suppose it can. There's nothing preventing two different molds from living in the same cheese. If you leave an opened pack of blue cheese at room temperature for a few days, it is possible that another fungus might infect it, making it inedible. JIP | Talk 09:25, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Why is blue cheese not gluten free? Cammy 16:39, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

They used to create a mold starter culture by placing loaves of bread in a cave. They would then grind up the moldy bread and mix it with the cheese. According to reliable sources it is not necessarily done this way anymore, but the mold still probably needs something to grow in which may also contain gluten, who knows? Better to err on the side of caution. Xrblsnggt 02:40, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] How this article could be improved

• Somehow differentiate traditional varieties, newer but well-known varieties and Protected designations of origin from the dozens of contemporary cheeses. Otherwise you will have dozens of blue cheeses listed with no way for a person to get an idea of what the representative set of blue cheeses are.
• Spell bleu correctly.

216.232.128.50 06:29, 18 January 2007 (UTC)Is or has there ever been blue (bleu)cheese that has been lined with copper wire and electrocuted?

[edit] Debunking the history of blue cheese

Accounts of Charlemagne and Pliny the Elder are said to indicate that blue cheese may have existed as early as 70 AD or 774 AD. Looking at the accounts, they do not really appear to explicitly mention blue-veined cheeses.

In his Historia Naturalis (70 AD), Pliny the Elder mentions several different varieties of cheeses, some of which are reputed to be blue cheese. Reading the english translation of the passage, there does not seem to be any direct mention of blue cheese. See for yourself: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?lookup=Plin.+Nat.+11.97

Around (774 AD) Charlemagne is said to have savored some kind of mouldy cheese while staying at a monestary in the countryside, whereupon he demanded that some improbable amount of the cheese be delivered to him yearly. This story seems to have doubt cast on it by some sleuth-work: http://arts-sciences.westkingdom.org/charlemagnes_cheese.html. http://heatherrosejones.com/simplearticles/charlemagnescheese.html

Gorgonzola is said to have originated around 879 AD, however some sources say it's blue variant didn't come into play untill the 11th century, right around when roquefort hit the scene. (roquefort is said to have been invented in 1070 according to Encyclopædia Britannica)

The 11th century seems to be a safe time to say that blue cheese existed. It is plausible that people ate moldy cheese before then, but there does not appear to be a reliable, widely-cited source that makes mention of it.

[edit] Blue / Bleu Cheese Salad Dressing

Salad dressing or wing sauce is strictly speaking not a form of blue cheese, but a derivative of it. If you would like to contribute something on the topic, here is the page:

• Blue cheese dressing

[edit] The origins of blue cheese

i beleive that blue cheese comes from blue cows. how about you!

[edit] Name of article

The article name is Blue cheese, but the article then calls the cheese bleu. An explanation is in order, I think.

[edit] Spelling

Am I correct in thinking that calling it bleu cheese, when in the English speaking world, stems only from pretentiousness or ignorance? (as if French spellings are more sophisticated, or as if blue cheese is all, or essentially, French.) I've seen it frequently, but never in any halfway reliable source. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 136.142.22.218 (talk • contribs) 17:12, 29 January 2007.

I have never seen it spelled "blue" before in my life, except in cases where the person couldn't be trusted to spell anyway. —Eclipsed Moon 04:10, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

I've only rarely seen it spelled "bleu".--RLent 20:19, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Copper wires?

I have deleted this sentence:

• Now a days just to get the quick results thin copper wires are been inserted during the aging process of the blue cheese so that the product are derived quickly and the cheese has thin blue line inbetween. The copper reacts with the cheese and forms the moulds in the form of thin blue lines.^{[citation needed]}

It seems to be a prank: surely copper compounds are not an acceptable substitute for the mold, not even as a crude imitation (green coloring would be more effective!). In fact, the amount of copper implied in this method is probably toxic.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.106.23.149 (talk • contribs)

The copper is used to persuade the mold to grow. I don't know how it works, but exposing the cheese to the copper somehow helps. The copper isn't left in place, and the color doesn't come from the copper. Regards, Ben Aveling 18:03, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Antibiotic?

Does Blue Cheese have any antibiotic properties? I've heard in a rumour-legend sort of way that, since it contains a form of penicillin, it serves as a mild antibiotic, but I dknpt know whether there's any truth to this. It makes a sort of common-sense sense but 'common sense' is often wrong in a scientific frame.75.62.109.96 (talk) 22:01, 28 April 2008 (UTC)