Talk:Blossoming Lotus

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[edit] Notability

I wouldn't tag this again, but I think it barely meets the notability criteria, and I think it would be tough to get this to pass an Afd in its current state. 4 references don't automatically confer notability. Is there any national coverage? See WP:NOTE and WP:CORP for more information. Also, I can see why someone would have put the {{advert}} tag back because of the link to the vegan fusion book, which is more about the book than the restaurant. Perhaps there needs to be a separate article on vegan fusion cuisine? But only if it's a notable phenomenon. Thanks. Katr67 23:02, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Please see [1], [2], [3], [4]. This restaurant meets and exceeds the notability guidelines in its class and category, and the book describes the restaurant, its philosophy, and the recipes it uses. The book could be incorporated as an inline reference, but it's far more neutral to rely upon secondary sources as is the case with the current article. —Viriditas | Talk 23:43, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Don't worry, I don't plan to take this to Afd or anything, but I've seen how those things tend to go. I still don't see much but a lot of woowoo sources (I know because I'm a bit woowoo myself) but I see they were apparently in Condé Nast Traveler, which helps, as it's a bit more mainstream (meaning higher circulation). Just keep the above links in mind in case the notability tag returns. The question to ask is "What makes this particular vegan restaurant so special?" I've eaten in some and even worked in a few, and not a single one of them was notable enough to merit a Wikipedia article. Is it the vegan equivalent of Greens (gosh don't use that article as an example of how to do references) or Moosewood? Katr67 00:15, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Excellent criticism. I'm going to rewrite the article to address it instead of posting a long-winded response. :) —Viriditas | Talk 02:17, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
This looks like it just meets the WP:CORP notability guidelines. It would easily make it with the cookbook references, but those go towards establishing the books notability more than the restuarant. To be on the safe side I'd try to find an article in say Willamette Week or The Oregonian, or a Hawaii paper (I know there is one there now but its an award so I doubt it has "substantial coverage") that covers it in depth the way the SF paper and Mercury paper cover it. As it is now Im sure it would survive any AFD, but with a couple more sources no one will even try. Aboutmovies 09:29, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, I'm trying to add them right now. I've got Hinduism Today, a review in The Call (Woonsocket) (a R.I. paper), an article in the Los Angeles Daily News, and a review in Frommer's that calls them the "Best Place to Eat" on Kauai". A defunct Hawaii magazine named Zento wrote two articles about them, calling the Lotus, ""one of the most innovative and exceptional Vegan restaurants in the world", and author Bob Kasher describes the Lotus as "a pioneer in organic gourmet Vegan cuisine...one of the best places for Vegan and Vegetarian food in the islands." The New York Times and the Los Angeles Times have online reviews about the Lotus, but they appear to be feeds from travel guides. The strange thing is that I recall first reading about the Lotus in the print version of the NYT, but I can't seem to find anything in the archives. That has me stumped. —Viriditas | Talk 10:33, 15 November 2007 (UTC)