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[edit] Saya's name

Where should we note what Saya's name means? MajinPalgen 13:55, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

  • The characters in Saya's name means small(小) and night (夜). . . It would mean a scabbard if it were written 鞘, though it's kinda bad to name your kids after parts of a weapon. In other words, it's just a homonym, though it might've been intentional.

[edit] Chiroptera/Chiropteran

Hello. If I'm not mistaken the bat-like creatures in the anime are referred to as "Chiropterans". Can someone back me up on that or am I wrong? Phorque 21:54, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

You're right, although I'm not sure of the exact spelling from memory. The term is just the family name for bats. CFLeon 23:49, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
I have resolved this issue by adding a redirect to the wiki definition for "Chiroptera" in the "Plot" section, which is the first listing of that word in this article.--Skaizun (talk) 17:52, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Blood: The Last Vampire 2002

Can someone expand on the manga and anime for the WikiProject Anime and manga? It's not at that point to spin off a separate manga article yet (a redirect has just been created). --Geopgeop 09:29, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] game article

I have created an article for the game at Blood: The Last Vampire (video game). Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 13:34, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chiroptera

The above article was recently decided at an AFD to merge here: [1] -- The Placebo Effect (talk) 15:02, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Franchise and spinoffs

Overuse of emotional words and phrases, such as "success as a cult hit", "acclaimed", "vehemently", et al., without any citations to back it up.

[edit] Merging game article

I think the article should be merged into this one somewhat like how the Blood+: One Night Kiss article was merged into the Blood+ article. --Eruhildo (talk) 04:21, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree, the video game is a stub and I think, like the Blood+ games, it unlicensed so its unlikely it will grow much more. Collectonian (talk) 04:26, 30 December 2007 (UTC)


Update: Dinoguy1000 brought over the infobox data, so I went ahead and finished the merge. --Eruhildo (talk) 04:38, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I've been meaning to get back to this one to do that. :) Now to work on the clean up. I did the basic MOS fixes, but the text itself needs a lot of work. Collectonian (talk) 05:08, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I got a bit tired of seeing the merge banner, so I decided to do a bit towards a merge and it seemed to prod everyone else to pitch in, too. ^_^ —Dinoguy1000 17:09, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, we needed it. I kept wondering why we never did anything about the merge. I guess it's because we, well, didn't do anything about it, huh. ^_^ So, what's left to do with it now? --Eruhildo (talk) 09:26, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
My quick list from my internal to-do list:
  • rewrite the lead per the MOS and WP:LEAD
  • fill out the plot (just a teaser now)
  • add missing voiced by to characters and maybe give David more than two sentences (LOL)
  • production info (if possible)
  • fill out the film section with the theatrical and DVD release info
  • fill in the manga section
  • add some summaries and other info to light novels, maybe a table list
  • a little more in the video game section, if possible, to get to size of image ;)
  • fill in any missing sources (shouldn't be much now, but there are a few sentences that need them)
  • expand reception.
After that, then peer review, copyedit, and FA! *big grin* Collectonian (talk) 09:35, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Update on To-Do

So far, a few items taken care of. Anyone want to tackle filling out the plot more? Something around 400 words in length that actually includes the main points of the film instead of being a teaser? Collectonian (talk) 06:54, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] picture from the Live Action movie

I found a picture from the live action Blood: The last Vampire movie at this site: http://www.anime-ni.co.uk/?m=200710. The picture itself can be seen here: http://www.anime-ni.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/live-action-saya.jpg. I think someone should upload the picture to Wikipedia and add it to the article. I'd try to do it myself, but I have no idea how to properly do it (with all the fair use ratinales and copyright issues that wikipedia requires). But perhaps someone else with more knowledge/experience with image uploading could to it, becuase it would make a great addition to the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.240.192.169 (talk) 18:48, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I do not think a picture would be appropriate until the film is actually released or a theatrical poster is made available, as images found online may or may not end up being in the film. Collectonian (talk) 18:55, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Wether or not the scene depicted in the picture is in the movie is a bit less importaint than the fact that the picture depicts Saya the way she will look in the movie (showing the actress in character). Like a promotional image. But if you think it's a bad idea, then I guess it can wait until a poster or somthing is availible. 96.240.192.169 (talk) 21:23, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

This site has a promotional image (poster?) from the movie, plus a couple behind the scenes pictures. Maybe one of those would work? 72.79.209.185 (talk) 17:12, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

It is still not necessary right now. When the film is done production and is ready to go to theaters, then we will look at adding an image. Collectonian (talk) 17:16, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Very well. Though personally, I still think that having any image is better than having none, but I see your point, and I guess images will have to wait for now. 72.79.209.185 (talk) 17:38, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Influence on videogames

It seems that Blood: TLV influenced the art styles in at least one videogame (unsurprisingly considering its reception): a picture caption on page 41 of EGM's April 2007 issue (Number 214), in an interview about the game Crackdown, reads: "Crackdown's striking visuals were in part inspired by stylish flick Blood: The Last Vampire". I'm not sure if this actually merits mention in the article, but I figured that one example of influence couldn't hurt. —Dinoguy1000 16:25, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm...it would speak to reception I would guess, though not sure quite how to word it or if it should be mentioned if its the only instance. Collectonian (talk) 16:27, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
I wasn't sure where or how to mention it in the article either, but I rather doubt that it's the only instance of influence... it just happens to be the only one I've seen documented. —Dinoguy1000 18:19, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Yep...something to look into for sure. Collectonian (talk) 18:36, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
I say just add it into the Reception section something like the same way you mentioned it here (like "According to Electronic Gaming Monthly, Blood: The Last Vampire influenced the art style of the game Crackdown...<ref>"). I don't remember how to cite magazines or I'd give it try myself, but I'm a little short on time right now. --Eruhildo (talk) 21:51, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Alrighty, I'll add it, but I need to know the title and author of the piece in the magazine, and the volume number for that issue. Collectonian (talk) 01:33, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
...Crap. I'll have to get the magazine from home to get you that information... —Dinoguy1000 16:40, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
No prob, just post it when you can. I've added it with a partial cite for now. :) Collectonian (talk) 16:42, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Ah... as it turns out, I never took the magazine out of my backpack... Being absentminded sucks. In any case, the information is as follows: I'm not sure about the volume number (I couldn't find any mention of it), but the article is "Crackdown: Cracking the case" (a two-page "Afterthoughts" feature, pp. 40–41) by Greg Ford. If there's anything else you need for it, ask and it shall be given (assuming I don't forget *again*...). —Dinoguy1000 18:42, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
As someone who has run all over her house looking for her shades only to finally realize they were on her face...I know what you mean! :P I've updated the cite with the rest of the info. They may not have volume numbers for EGM, so no worries. Collectonian (talk) 18:49, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The manga

I added stuff on the manga Blood: The Last Vampire2000. (Ugh, that is one sick manga.) It seems I didn't do something right 'cause it's overlapping the infoboxes right now. I've also seen this called Blood: The Last Vampire2002, I think because it was published in the US in 2002. Here is some extra info from the manga that could help beef up the article. --Eruhildo (talk) 05:52, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I've fixed it for you. :) For future note, though, images should not be added to the graphic novel templates, and the summary section is for a plot summary, not the details about the manga. :) I'll see what else I can find, and add the Japanese ISBN in a few minutes. Collectonian (talk) 05:59, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
'k, thanks. I've never messed with that template before so I just went for it. I guess I knew you'd be able to clean up my mess. Should the manga cover go anywhere in the article or should I mark it for speedy? --Eruhildo (talk) 06:05, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Hmmm...for now, I'd have to say speedy primarily because there just isn't room. When the rest of the article is filled out enough that the section gets below the infoboxes, then it might fit and can be reuploaded. As a side note...Production I.G's site has all the novels listed, but not the manga *grumbles* Finally found on their goods site...yay! Collectonian (talk) 06:17, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Chiroptera or Teropterids

The article currently uses "chiroptera" as the name of the creatures, yet in several reviews and articles about the film, I see them referred to as Teropterids, including in the Anime Encyclopedia and ANN's review. Anyone know why? Collectonian (talk) 06:59, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps it's from a translation of one of the novels? Or maybe something on the internet? Maybe even from the producers themselves. What does Teropterid translate to in English? That may explain it. --Eruhildo (talk) 17:28, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Good question. On the Production I.G site, the page giving some character design sketches[2] has it listed as ヴァンパイア (vanpaia?), which I'm hedging a guess is vampire. It does the same with the captions of some of the film scream shots. No where on the site that I can find does it use either chiroptera nor teropterid. Anyone have the DVD who feels like rewatching to see which is actually said in the film in the original language track? Which one is used in the manga and novels? *confused* Collectonian (talk) 18:02, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
ヴァンパイア is one spelling of "vampire". I'm 99% certain I remember hearing Saya or David calling one a chiropteran. And I know I heard Lewis saying the first one Saya killed in the film wasn't a "chiropteran". I'll rewatch it sometime though. Unless "chiropteran" isn't used in the film, I think that's the correct term to use per WP:MOS-AM#Content number 2. --Eruhildo (talk) 02:46, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Yep, that's what I'm thinking too, I just want to be sure because of those rare/odd Teropterid uses :) Collectonian (talk) 02:50, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Light Novel titles

I changed the transliterations of the Light Novel titles to the ones that match in the published books. On the first and only edition of 闇を誘う血 (Yami o Izanau Chi?), the cover and back page include the furigana やみをいざなうち. The the re-released editions of '獣たちの夜 (Kemonotachi no Yoru?) and 上海哀儚 (Shanghai Aibyō?) include the title as romaji on the top of the cover. Grapeofdeath (talk) 07:39, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Light novels

Having just read Night of the Beasts, it's pretty clear that Mamoru Oshii intended it to continue the plotline of the movie, rather than just being a related work. That being said, the novel itself consists largely of philosophical discussions on the nature of man, the division between humans and animals, the stigmas associated with dead bodies, and the like - I didn't bother counting, but there have to be at least 60-80 pages consisting of nothing but conversations of this sort between various characters. I'm not sure how this might be relevant to the article, but just though it was at least worth mentioning on the talk page. —Dinoguy1000 18:47, 14 May 2008 (UTC)