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Chiroptera/Chiropteran spelling

Chiroptera or Chiropteran?

Seems like I was incorect when I used Chiropteran as Chiroptera is the correct term for Bat, I was just using what i saw in a fansub as I dont speak japanese.

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I think we can call it chiropteran at this point since I also don't speak japanese and relied on the fansub, too. The entry for the movie used Chiroptera so I assumed that was the correct term. I guess we have to wait for the official english translation.

In the mean time, I created the wikipedia articles for the word chiropteran and reidrected them to chiroptera (anime).

Oh yeah, I don't think it is necessarry to include the definition of the word "chiroptera" when pertaining to real-live bats. I'll go ahead and add the description "bat-like"(like what I did to the wikipedia entry, chiroptera (anime)) to the section "What are the Chiropterans) and link to the apprporiate wikipedia link. --66.167.115.223 11:52, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Removed the Bat description part.

Heh, bit late here... I assume "chiropteran" is the singlular, "chiroptera" the plural. The official site uses Chiropteran. Shiroi Hane 22:57, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

i also believe chiropteran is the singular while chiroptera is the plural. it's not like these are made up words. they're real words used in science

umm.. Not quite.. chiroptera would be the noun. chiropteran would be the adjective. Here's a quote from the OED (Note:OED uses:Cheiroptera whereas dictionary.com uses the Chiroptera.)

Hence cheiropteran a., belonging to the Cheiroptera; as n. a member of the Cheiroptera. cheiropterous a., of or belonging to the Cheiroptera; having winged ‘hands’.</bockquote>

--Kunzite 04:26, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

that quote is kind of confusing in that formatting but doesn't it read that "Cheiropteran" as "n." means "member of the Cheiroptera" meaning that "chiropteran" used as a noun would be a singular entity and that "chiroptera" is the whole group, i.e. the plural form?

Spellings

Don't get too worked up about character name spelling. It's just a Saturday evening cartoon. Most guys in Production I.G. can't spell anyway. --GoogleMonkey 00:21, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Saya's Personality

Do you think her total personality switch in her memories and in the serialisation (compared to the movie) merits a mention? She was a total bitch before and now she is docile and happy go lucky, she also seems alot less intelligent/independant. I personally think this was to allow for her to have friends/family and won't be explained anywhere in the storyline also to make her more likable but almost certainly to introduce hagi as a romance intrest. While reading this I looked it up, and it's an alternate universe :S someone should put that in the article... But still in the "other universe" she didn't need her own blood to cut up the vampires. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bowen Bayley (talk • contribs) 16:11, 23 February 2006 (UTC).

Where did you read that this series is an alternate universe?

As far as I'm concerned, this docile nature of Saya compared to the no-shit can do attitude of her movie counterpart can be simply explained by saying that she's been "dormant" all these years, and being with a surrogate family imprinted her with a more emphatic, and seemingly weaker personality.--Chicbicyclist 13:03, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Spoilers in article history

To anyone editing the article, please refrain from posting spoilers when you add the summary to your edit. Thanks.--Chicbicyclist 04:28, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Chevalier's immortality

A recent addition to Hagi's description questions the immortality of Chevaliers. While it certainly seemed that way in episode 28, from what he said at the end of the episode 30, it seems like he may simply leave Saya after it is all over and not die. Does anyone have any comments with regards to this? Alternatively, if it's true that chevaliers are (or are not) immortal, the attribute should be appended in the chiropteran section and not here, as we currently do not have any information that distinguishes Hagi from the other Chevaliers (except Riku, who was able to hear Diva's song prior to becoming a Chevalier himself per the events in the Vietnam arc). -- Remy Suen 12:25, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

I did the addition, and I admit, I did that posthaste. I just assumed that it was his immortality they are talking about since he implied that Riku would be there far longer than he ever could, and the fact that Chevaliers stop aging the moment they become one. As for the distinguishing feature, I would think that his bandaged-covered hand is one of them. Other chevaliers are capable of becoming "chiropteran"-like and back to humans, yet Hagi's hands remain chiropteran.--Chicbicyclist 22:00, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

On the note about the Chiropteran flesh, is Karl's hand made of Chiropteran flesh? I don't really remember the scenes in the Vietnam arc, but at the end of episode 30, Solomon asks Karl about his hand, which seemed to imply that Amshel/Anshel was able to revert the process thanks to his research? -- Remy Suen 10:47, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Images

I think the article should either add an image of Saya (and possibly some other important characters or other images) or just leave the main one in the infobox only and remove Kai's. The article seems really weird with a bunch of text, then Kai, then another whole load of text. I don't think that this makes it flow very well. -- Remy Suen 21:29, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Fansub is not encyclopedic

Fansub is an illegal & unofficial work. Therefore it is not encyclopedic, and should not be mentioned in Wikipedia (even though the different production/publisher romanizations are often awkward and sometimes less accurate). Cliché Online 15:26, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

i agree. i think the logical choice of romanization should be used in the absence of an official spelling, but i don't think it should have anything to do with fansubs. fansubbers have no more authority than a random guy off the street. it should just be called "unofficial spelling" or something.

Fansub's all we got

Really, it is. besides, all the romanizations are in-line with logic, and the kana was well-noted. The authors also make it clear that there are several acccepted spellings. -Biokinetica 09:17, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Schiff

I added a reference image of the Schiff if that's alright. -Biokinetica 09:17, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Info Culling

Okay guys, I think this article needs some serious editing, chopping, axing, etc. now. There is just too much information. The character section,k especially might need to go into its own article. A summary of the main characters(those that recur in more than one arc, especially) could remain. Removal of some of the characters that only appeared in one or two episodes might be in order as well. --Chicbicyclist 08:19, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree; the least we can do now is to divide the main article into seperate specialized pages. Since the series is ending, there should be no fear of adding more information while doing so. Euhsung 04:27, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Also, can somebody create a character template for blood+? I have already created a template for it at Template: Blood+ character , but lack the expertise to actually code it. Thx in advance.

There might be spoiller here

I am just wondering who is the reporter that asks "von" the question in the last eps when he is arrested. He looks like solomon or is it the other guy? If that is the case, is Diva really dead? Yes Saya cuts Diva but she also cuts solomon and the other guy who asked Saya to kill him but seriously that reporter looks alot like ""! Am I seeing things? lol

I also like to express my disapproval of the ending! I was crying! My God! 30 years? Kai will be 46! That picture is just wrong!

The timeline is very nice!

See Talk:List_of_Blood+_characters#Nathan. Oh, and Diva is dead - she crystallizes. --Eruhildo 20:20, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Cartoon Network

"This Week's Top Page is dedicated to Junichi Fujisaku's Blood+, premiering in the USA on March 10 on Cartoon Network's Adult Swim." Found that on their official site.

I googled for Blood Plus to see what it was, after seeing it listed on the DirectTV thing, coming on the Cartoon Network at 11:30pm central time.

Lot of information about the creator here http://www.production-ig.com/contents/works_sp/20_/s08_/000223.html and other stuff about the series on that website.

Just thought I'd clear stuff up, since the artical as of now isn't diffinate about its airing. Dream Focus 02:47, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

OST Info

Aren't OSTs worthy of providing some more information about them? Probably track listing? Or maybe that's excessive for this particular article? --SayaMan 17:29, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

I think that's a great idea. Though I'm not quite sure how to do it in a way that looks good. I thought about doing the way Bleach is done, but that might look weird here. Maybe we should create a List of Blood+ media page? --Eruhildo 20:35, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, i've done that for Bleach Drama CD, probably that way is appropriate? I'm not so good with wiki tables to construct one of my own, but i think we may use something as a model. --SayaMan 15:18, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

I made a go at it on my user page, but didn't know what to do with the Image Album (Hagi Plays Bach). I don't know anything about wikitables so I avoided them altogether. Also, I don't have the release dates or lengths of the OSTs so that data is missing. --Eruhildo 20:20, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

So, is there any use of making a separate page for media? Or maybe even a separate page for each disk the way it's done for opening and ending theme songs?--SayaMan 00:59, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Unless you have enough information to justify separate article pages for each disk, it's better to stick with making just one article containing everything. That way you won't have to deal with Merge issues and stub claims in the future. Fox816 02:11, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok I've added detailed info on Blood+ OSTs. Also thought to add some album infobox, but apparently I'm not quite sure what to do about the images, whether it's ok to use at least 3 cover images at once. Anyways couldn't figure out how to use wikimedia commons. Need some sleep at last, I guess ;) --SayaMan 07:13, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

The tables you made are awesome. I added a cell at the top of each for the data that came before each table. I thought would look a little more concise that way. --Eruhildo 19:16, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

cool! I think that really looks more "wikipedic" ;) I'll add info on Compilation later on of nobody does it before. )--SayaMan 01:51, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

A Timeline

Is it really necessary to have a timeline to this article? That's more in-universe than regular prose. KyuuA4 07:51, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

It's not really necessary, but I think it's useful to have here. --Eruhildo 19:22, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Better to use prose. Summarize this timeline, to describe the plot of the story. KyuuA4 17:22, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

A timeline is a nice thing, as far as I can see it's partly taken from blood+ official website, isn't it? But it states that Karl became Diva's Chevalier in 1939 which is not true, because they showed a photo with Solomon, Diva and Carl dated 8.11.1920. Then there is the date when Haji appeared at the Zoo - 1863. How do we know that? We only know that Haji appeared there after Joel became aware of the special properties of Saya's blood, he made a record in his diary in 1863. But that doesn't mean Haji appeared there immediately after. In fact japanese wiki states that Haji turned Chevalier when he was 21 years old (I have no idea where they found that information), that makes 1862 the year of his birth, and 1874 the year of his appearance at the Zoo. What do you think? I feel that it's probably worth of clarifying.--SayaMan 14:23, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

You're right, the timeline is from the official site. But some parts were left out (like Haji arrived at the Zoo in 1970 at age 12). Since the English sites don't have this and I think some of the data may not be in the anime, I think it would be good to include it in the article once all the facts are right. I'll spend some time translating it this week to fill in the holes. --Eruhildo 19:50, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

I finished translating the timeline and merging it with the old one. It's here. Feel free to edit it and discuss it on the talk page. When it's done, I'll add it back to the article. --Eruhildo 17:05, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Timeline

1809 Publication of Philosophie Zoologique
1829 Death of Jean-Baptiste Lamarck
1832 Joel Goldsmchmidt sets up the "Zoo" near Bordeaux, France and presumably begins "Joel's Diary."
1833 The mummy of an unknown life-form named SAYA is transferred to the Zoo. The life-form is later identified as a Chiropteran. Extracted from its pregnant belly are two cocoons, which react to drops of human blood. Extracted from the cocoons are two children that are human in appearance: one is named Saya and raised as a normal human in the Zoo, and the other remains unnamed, is locked up in a tower, and is used by Joel for experimentation purposes. Saya, upon discovery of this child in 1863, names her Diva.
1859 Publication of Darwin's Origin of Species
1863 Saya ceases aging. Joel becomes aware of the special properties of her blood. Saya becomes aware of the existence of Diva locked up in the tower. 12-year-old Haji is introduced to Saya to investigate her reproductive potential. Experimentation on Diva presumably continues, with Amshel, a member of a branch family, acting as an aid to Joel.
1883 The "blank page" in Joel's Diary. Saya releases Diva from the tower to sing at the birthday party of Joel. Haji falls from a cliff, and Saya turns him into a Chevalier via a mouth-to-mouth transfusion of her blood. Diva kills Joel. Joel's descendant founds the Red Shield to pursue Diva.
End of the 19th century Saya suddenly enters a 30-year period of hibernation.
Early 20th century Saya and Diva awaken. Saya and Haji pursue Diva and Chiroptera in Russia.
1914 First World War
1917 Russian Revolution
1918 Saya kills Diva's Chevalier, Grigori, then enters her second hibernation. End of the First World War. Physician Solomon Goldsmith is introduced to Diva and becomes a Chevalier.
1939 Start of the Second World War. Carl becomes Diva's Chevalier.
1945 James becomes a Chevalier in Berlin. Acting on orders from Amshel, Solomon kills Martin Bormann, another Chevalier and a high-ranking Nazi. End of the Second World War.
1972 Chiroptera sightings in Vietnam confirmed. Christmas bombing. The Red Shield injects Haji's blood into a hibernating Saya to cause an artificially induced awakening, resulting in her going berserk, killing Chiroptera and humans alike. Saya cuts off arms of both Haji and Carl. The dying original David entrusts Saya (in her fourth sleep) to George Miyagusuku. Haji, displeased by the incident, distances himself from Red Shield. Red Shield are unable to establish his whereabouts, but there are sightings of him in Hong Kong.
1975 End of the Vietnam War.
1996 George adopts Kai and Riku. Their parents were killed in a traffic accident.
2002 Joel (6th) becomes head of the Red Shield.
2004 Saya awakens in Okinawa without her previous memories. She lives with the Miyagusuku Family, under the surveillance of (the 2nd) David, with the agreement that once Saya remembers her past awakenings, she will go with the Red Shield.
2005 Saya reunites with Haji and is caught up with the fight against Chiroptera. George Miyagusuku becomes a Chiropteran. Saya is forced to kill him. With Kai and Riku in town, Haji and Saya once again ally themselves with Red Shield. Diva awakens soon after.
2006 Diva and Carl launch an attack on the Red Shield Headquarters. Diva kills Riku amidst the assault, and rapes him, forcing him to impregnate her. Carl's projectile spikes impale Joel in the spine and he is confined to a wheelchair thereafter. The Red Shield's command ship was forced to self-destruct in an attempt to take down Diva.
2007 Chiroptera sightings in London. Unable to resist his desire to fight Saya, Carl disobeys Diva in order to do so, but ends up losing his life. Amshel orders Solomon not to save Carl. Solomon betrays Diva repeatedly by warning Saya of her plans and eventually leaves Diva, no longer wishing to be her Chevalier. Saya tracks the Chiropteran to an Air Force base in North Carolina, and pursues Diva to New York City. D67 is used in food spread throughout the world. In New York City, Diva, James and Amshel are finally killed. Haji goes missing; they are unable to confirm if he died or not, and Kai and Saya return to Okinawa along with everyone else. She then falls into her fifth deep sleep. Kai carries her into his family's grave, where George had once shown Saya her cocoon she had slept in.
2013 Kai visits his family's grave where Saya sleeps. He takes along Diva's twin daughters and they both see the rose Haji has left for Saya. Kai knows it was Haji that left the rose because Haji tied his hair tie (the blue ribbon) onto the stem of the rose.

Plot

Saya's Blood properties

I've just came across some citation from ep.12. There Julia says that the special property of Saya's blood that allows to crystallize chiropterans' blood is available only during battle. That's why they couldn't take Saya's blood in advance and needed herself to fight Chiropterans. Was that just some instant reasoning for people who don't necessarily need to know everything or a plot hole? I mean, we've seen many examples when Saya's blood kills Chiroptarans regardless of whether she is in state of battle or not. I don't know how to write about that. :\ --SayaMan 00:26, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like a slight contradiction but possibly it may be that her blood is potent only when she is in an active or excited state. If she lay dormant during hibernation then extracting her blood or creating a derivative of it would be useless since there are not active components. That's all just my interpretation of it though. It probably would be best to omit the information or paraphrase it as is taken straight from the series. Fox816 01:27, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

You know, her eyes do turn bright red when she goes into "battle mode". Maybe that has something to do with it - though I think it was probably just a plot hole. Probably best to just overlook it. --Eruhildo 03:27, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, i agree, it's better to omit it. Besides her blood killed Irene quite efficiently though her 'battle mode' was already off. And the babies' (Diva and Saya's) blood crystallized each other quite well too. No battle mode then.--SayaMan 03:48, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Chevalier links

Does any else think the word Chevalier should link to Chiroptera (anime)#Chevaliers instead of what it does now, since we're always referring to that specific type of chevalier? --Eruhildo 03:42, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh, i really think that it should link to both at least. But maybe specifically from Blood+ pages it should lead to chiropteran chevalier. And have some disambiguation at the top of the page:) --SayaMan 13:51, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Supposed New Season

It says on the article there is a rumor for another season in Japan. Does anyone have a source to prove this or is it just wishful thinking? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.4.138.130 (talk) 05:03, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

I think it may just be a rumor - I can't find anything on it. --Eruhildo 17:31, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

I removed it. Rumors shouldn't be included unless there is a reliable official source to cite it. Fox816 18:14, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much because I would have rathered it be removed than someone putting it there for wishful thinking. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.4.138.130 (talk) 04:33, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Chiropterans?

Isn't Chiroptera the plural of Chiropteran? Or does the English version use "Chiropterans"? I thought it would be good to clarify this. --Eruhildo 00:53, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

The dub uses Chiropterans. Fox816 01:57, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Visual similarity to other Anime

I have noticed that Eureka 7 and Ouran High Host Club share the same art style does anyone know which studio animates these shows? --Bushido Brown 02:09, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

The studio BONES animates the shows. --Brian 09:37, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Then why is Production I.G. acredited as being the studio behind Blood+ Bushido Brown 04:08, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

BONES is a Japanese company. They animated it, then IG brought it over here and translated it, or something like that. --Eruhildo (talk) 18:37, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Production I.G created the story, did animation, and produced the series (see their official site). Bones did tweening for episode 8, according to ANN at least. --SilentAria ^talk 19:19, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh, you're right. I didn't realize I.G. was in Japan too. --Eruhildo (talk) 19:26, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Red Shield

I've been thinking for a while that maybe we should create an article on Red Shield. There should be enough data (I think) from the series and the movie to make one. I don't have enough time or writing ability to do it myself, but I thought someone else might be interested. --Eruhildo 22:45, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

No, Red Shield does not need its own article. It does not meet WP:FICT and would violate WP:PLOT and get AfDed. Its section in this article and in the List of characters article is more than sufficient. Collectonian 08:32, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Blood TLV

Shouldn't there be a section in the article to discuss its relation to Blood The Last Vampire and the differences between the two? That article refers to Blood+ as an "alternative universe" version. Shouldn't something here also discuss if that is the case, connections, etc? Collectonian 08:29, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Maybe something brief in the plot section or near the beginning, but some of that belongs in the chacters article (Saya, David, and Lewis). A lot of it is discussed in Chiroptera (anime)#In Blood: The Last Vampire and related media, though probably not the best place to have it. --Eruhildo 00:37, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Question

Simple question, is it Weekly Shonen Jump? Uzumaki Dude 05:29, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Is what? Collectonian 05:44, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

No, it's an anime series - the manga were adaptations and all the magazines they were serialized in are listed in the article. --Eruhildo 00:29, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Japanese tag

Shouldn't the Japanese tag be placed at the bottom of the page, rather than the top? I don't recall seeing any other articles in the main namespace with the Japanese tag at the top of the page. --Dino guy 1000 17:52, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

The most recent consensus I saw said that it is more appropriate to have it at the top, though many older articles have not been updated to reflect this. Collectonian (talk) 17:54, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Okay. Could I get a link to the policy page for this? --Dino guy 1000 19:48, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

There are no policy pages related to template messages and the like. There was a small consensus on the tag's talk page Template talk:Contains Japanese text. In placing it at the top, I also considered the usual Wikipedia system of putting other informational type templates (like disambig, redirect, etc) at the top and found no actual discussion to support having it at the bottom. As the text applies to the entire article, it makes more sense to warn people at the than to wait till they've gotten all the way to the bottom to say "oh, yeah, there was Japanese text in there." :) Collectonian (talk) 20:01, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

All right, thanks for clarifying. Now that I look around, there's a similar discussion on a couple of the other related templates, too. --Dino guy 1000 21:34, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Blood+ Video Game article merge

Merge it. At best it'll only add several more sentences to this article. That's better than navigating to another page just to find the same thing. As far as images go, not really necessary. Popularity of that section of the franchise isn't high enough to justify adding it in. Fox816 (talk) 18:01, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Merge. I agree with everything Fox816 said - there's hardly anything in that article anyway. While we're at it, why not merge Blood: The Last Vampire (video game) into the TLV article? Of course that discussion would need to go on over there. --Eruhildo (talk) 23:35, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Agreed and tagged as such over there. Collectonian (talk) 06:34, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Merge. Unless there's a substantial amount of information to be added to the video game page, I don't see why it shouldn't be integrated into this existing page. However, I think keeping the picture of the box art isn't such a bad idea (as long as it meets the fair use policy). HeavenlyEire (talk) 06:24, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Agreed on keeping the art box, though may need reducing for fair use. Will check and fix if needed. Collectonian (talk) 06:34, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Merge as suggester. Game article is a stub and shows no sign of having a significant change to expand. Collectonian (talk) 06:34, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

I just finished doing the merge. Feel free to offer feedback, comments, etc. I found some citations for most of the available info on both games. Hopefully improved :) Collectonian (talk) 19:32, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

I think you did well on the merge. It makes for a much more linear article. HeavenlyEire (talk) 23:53, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Infobox

At first I was thinking it would be good to have all the manga, etc. listed in the infobox, but now it looks too long to me. All that info is covered in their appropriate sections isn't it? Do we really need it all in the infobox? --Eruhildo (talk) 22:37, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

It is rather long, in part because of the multiple manga/anime. However, it was suggested as being necessary as part of the Peer Review if we hope for GA one day. Hopefully with some additional fleshing out of the article, it will look a little better. :) Collectonian (talk) 00:07, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I'd rather it be long if it means getting GA. ^_^ --Eruhildo (talk) 02:43, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I love the logo - it looks a lot better than the pics that used to be in there. --Eruhildo (talk) 22:22, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks and me too :) Just glad one of the official sites had it in a usable form :P Collectonian (talk) 22:24, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Curious

Well minor I wonder if the makers of the series got some ideas for the series from the Rothschild Family. To note I'm aware this isn't a forum or place for original research, but the term "Red Shield", and the fact the family which controls Red Shield is a financing and banking family seem all a bit eerie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.127.49.29 (talk) 01:07, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Actually, the article used to have that in there, but it was removed for being unreferenced. If we had a reference stating that, we could put it back in. I agree that the connection is obvious (after all, even the chevaliers' names are the same), but it hasn't been officially stated yet. T_T Maybe some day... --Eruhildo (talk) 05:49, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Delta 67

I've noticed that in the Japanese version of the series Delta 67 is called "デルタ六七" (Deruta Roku Nana^? Delta Six Seven) . In other words, it's not "Delta Sixty-Seven" but "Delta Six Seven". I was wondering if we could include a note about this in the article? I don't know what the English version calls it, but my guess is it's said the way it looks. Is that true? --Eruhildo (talk) 23:34, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm...in the anime, as I recall, they say 67, but if the original Japanese is 6 7 then we should include a note in that, then wait to see what the novels and manga use for the final decision on which to use consistently. I'm about to order the first manga volume, but I suspect the Delta agent won't show up for a few volumes yet. Collectonian (talk) 00:10, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't think it's important enough to note whether the dub pronounces it "six-seven" or "sixty-seven"; it's a pretty minor thing, and situations where digits are read individually instead of as a single unit aren't uncommon. —TangentCube, Dialogues 08:33, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

I remember pretty clearly David always calling it "Delta Six Seven", which I attributed to some sort of military background, given that the substance is abbreviated D67. Adding to that, I seem to recall at least one occasion where another character called it "Delta Sixty-Seven". However, as TangentCube states, it's probably hardly worth noting. —Dino guy 1000 18:03, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Kai called it D sixty-seven, of course at the time he had no idea what it was and lacked a military background to see it read as Delta 6 7 Fokkerfanjet (talk) 00:11, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Anime vs Manga vs Novels

I picked up the first volume of the manga today and read it. Looks like the manga has made quite a few changes from the anime, including possibly adding a new chevalier for Diva named Charles (I can't tell though, if its Karl using another name). Will have to read more volumes before we know for sure. It also has a preview of the first novel, which looks like it will be closer to the novel series. Meanwhile, I've converted the manga section to use the graphic novel template. I suspect they will need to go to their own list once all the summaries are in place, but for now it can stay there. I'll try to add in the vol 1 summary later this week, and get the Japanese ISBN's from Amazon.co.jp. Collectonian (talk) 04:57, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

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